L7123456 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 If it meant 'below' as in 'below the ground' it would have had one L. To 'bellow' is to yell at someone really loudly. Not meaning to discredit your theory, I actually find it quite interesting I just noticed that as well, I completely forgot about all spelling [emoji4] .I'm sure some people could find being yelled at really loudly scary? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbennxx Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 well that just seemed to be a cartoon zombie santa clause. He had the hat, the beard, who isn't scared of a mall santa? Especially a zombie mall santa. Even if it isn't Santa, this close to Christmas and looking that much like a zombie santa seems a bit coincidental. These clues are here to keep us guessing and discussing, I doubt they have much to do with the ride at all. L7123456 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Well that clue was rather...unexpected. Doesn't really 'fit' with the style we've seen so far. The clues so far have all had some relevance in some way, even if it is obscure, so I wonder whether this has some equally obscure hidden meaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieN Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I doubt that clue has any revelance in the scheme of things. I'm failing to find a connection between Derren Brown, zombie Santa and a Victorian perfume bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7123456 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Our secret footage??? Found Footage Films The Ride: Featuring Zombie Santa, Derren Brown and Victorian Perfume Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchada04 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 What if the glasses represent VR? We know it's an up and coming thing, possibly the future of theme parks and Mack have lots lined up. VR ghost train maybe. Would explain the "you won't know what's real and what's not" etc. That guy who I'm not convinced is Santa could also be part of the story, still got to uncover the dark secret. He seems like an interesting character with some secrets that he wants to hide. OldFarmerDean and L7123456 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 As a similar suggestion to VR, could Augmented Reality be a possibility? Again, it's an upcoming thing and works well with the not being able to distinguish what is and what is not real (arguably more so than VR). Would change the entertainment industry too. It then means the park have more opportunity to use 'real' theming. I doubt that there's technology advanced enough for it to work well enough yet, and VR would be a more plausible suggestion, but it seems like an "out there" chance to me at the moment. L7123456 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjh123horry Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Is it just me, or does the "old santa guy" look like derren when he was dressed as a tramp, when he did the experiment, seeing how the area around us can affect how generous we can be. Looks very similar to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7123456 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Is it just me, or does the "old santa guy" look like derren when he was dressed as a tramp, when he did the experiment, seeing how the area around us can affect how generous we can be. Looks very similar to me. Tramp The Ride. Put on your VR headsets and experience the immersive-ness of the life of the homeless Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk HermanTheGerman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 A VR dark ride? Can't they just build a proper dark ride? SteveJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack F Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Wasn't Containment about peoples fears, so that could have something to do with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjh123horry Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Wasn't Containment about peoples fears, so that could have something to do with this?With this in mind, my theory on what could happen. You get onto a tube carriage, and go forward, you then enter the tunnel section in the carriage, and then a video plays (like the ones Derren tests on people in his experiments to work out what video would work for which ever effect he needs) that entises fear, or in this case, for you to see your fears in front of you. Mass hypnosis, the carriage maybe then comes out or you exit onto a lower station, where you walk around a walkthrough area, with actors. You then board another carriage then takes you back up to the to floor, with a video that plays to remove the hypnosis. Would be a revolutionary experience, incorporating mass hypnosis into an attraction, making you truely fear something in front of you, then removing the hypnosis off of you afterwards. Thoughts? Jack F 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFarmerDean Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 merlin will get a bulk deal on VR headsets... WC16, Air... and I'm sure tomb blaster effects have given up, heck, put VR on there instead, then if they buildings on fire and you cant escape, you wouldn't know it will be allllll fine, lewumbrajumbos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 The thing is, Derren has stated several times in his shows/books without knowing how suggestible someone is or being able to see whether they have any mental or physical dispositions, it could go wrong. If they were able to incorporate hypnosis into it, the ride could go two ways: either the "hypnosis" side of it wont work on everyone or people who have a unknown history of mental/physics problems could suffer extreme problems on it. As much as I want hypnosis to be involved in it, for the safety of others I doubt it will be made a possibility. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Let's say for arguments sake, hypnosis is going to happen, it would HAVE to be listed on the board at the front in the safety information. Just like it advises people who are pregnant/have back problems not to ride the roller coasters. If they choose to ignore this information, whether they've read it or not, that is their own decision, and their own fault if it ends negatively. They aren't being forced to ride it and if it's a Derren Brown IP it should be pretty widely known that it messes with the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-S Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 ^^ Thorpe still have a duty of care, you can slap as many warnings on something as you want but if you don't actively enforce it, you'll be in the crapper. Hypnosis won't be included as it won't work on a lot of people, you really can avoid being hypnotised if you're in the right frame of mind, and the whole thing is a huge health and safety nightmare. Augmented reality, now that sounds plausible, especially with their 'future of theme parks' statement, my son has it on his DS and it's great fun, if you scaled that up and used 3d googles, then I can see where that would be a major selling point. L7123456 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Let's say for arguments sake, hypnosis is going to happen... It just wont. You need to have sufficient training in order to be able to hypnotize people. The recipient needs to be subjective (only a handful of people can actually be hypnotised). It's just not possible, sorry. That's not to say that TP won't advertise that there will be (signing wavers on that Psycoaster remember?) but there just won't be. Have the Derren IP (IMO) has already done wonders for this experience and it's only been a few months. I say the marketing on this is going to be brilliant. I mean, the man works 12months of the year - and ends up handing out leaflets at his shows - what an amazing idea! L7123456 and pluk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluk Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Let's say for arguments sake, hypnosis is going to happen It just wont. Spot on! About time we saw some sort of update I think. Anyone got a drone?! Dark ride construction topics are dull. Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 ^^ Thorpe still have a duty of care, you can slap as many warnings on something as you want but if you don't actively enforce it, you'll be in the crapper. Hypnosis won't be included as it won't work on a lot of people, you really can avoid being hypnotised if you're in the right frame of mind, and the whole thing is a huge health and safety nightmare. Augmented reality, now that sounds plausible, especially with their 'future of theme parks' statement, my son has it on his DS and it's great fun, if you scaled that up and used 3d googles, then I can see where that would be a major selling point. It just wont. You need to have sufficient training in order to be able to hypnotize people. The recipient needs to be subjective (only a handful of people can actually be hypnotised). It's just not possible, sorry. That's not to say that TP won't advertise that there will be (signing wavers on that Psycoaster remember?) but there just won't be. Have the Derren IP (IMO) has already done wonders for this experience and it's only been a few months. I say the marketing on this is going to be brilliant. I mean, the man works 12months of the year - and ends up handing out leaflets at his shows - what an amazing idea! Spot on! About time we saw some sort of update I think. Anyone got a drone?! Dark ride construction topics are dull. Just to clarify I wasn't suggesting that it was plausible to utilise hypnosis in this attraction, or even condoning the idea, I was saying in an hypothetical/devils advocate sense - hypothetical just like the likelihood of Logger's tunnel was coming back for the 2015 season... - but if they did, the appropriate warnings and so on would be emphasized before even entering the queue line. I've watched Derren's shows before where some of his methods have worked on some and not all. But I'm sure if they wanted to do it, they probably could. Would it be effective? No. Is it going to happen? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbennxx Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Derren failed to stick the nation to their chair's. Well he at least failed to stick me and the people I was with at the time to our seats. Though as already said on here, the man freely admits that you have to be suggestable in order to be hypnotized. Mass Hypnosis is not going to happen on this ride. The legal implications would be far too great, what if somebody with a mental illness is hypnotized into seeing something truly terrifying. Then the process of bringing that person back to reality does not work, and that person goes and tops themselves. That would not just be the end of Thorpe Park, but of Merlin. I just want a nice paced dark ride, with a good blend of physical sets and 3D screens, and I want it to be fun and Thrilling. End of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7123456 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 But he has promised psychological elements within the attraction.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk But this doesn't mean hypnosis is involved it just means that there will be psychological things taking place during the ride Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7123456 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Psychology is the study of the mind and its behaviour, so if it does include psychological elements, then it must do something along the lines of playing with our brains. It's what Derren specialises in, so if he really wanted to, he could find a way to achieve making a successful "mind-distorting" ride that can both scare/awe anyone who goes on it. I'm sorry but I do not understand what you mean by "psychological things taking place during the the ride", may you explain in more depth? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk There will be psychological elements that will play with our minds but there will not be hypnosis. That's all I was saying. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 But he has promised psychological elements within the attraction.. Just like Thirteen did... and Smiler... I highly doubt that WC16 will use hypnosis. L7123456 and Chaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I am really seeing people thinking that hypnosis would be a viable concept? It really is off season... The baby Jesus would be weeping... Bubbles1, Chaz, JoshC. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjh123horry Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I am really seeing people thinking that hypnosis would be a viable concept? Yes, and ive got a few little niggles on the subject. 1. Its Derren and hypnosis/mind manipulation is what he does, yes it doesnt work on everyone, but for those is does work on, itll be great. And I'm pretty sure if he was to use hypnosis within the ride, it wouldnt just be that as the whole experience, because of those who wont be affected. 2. Its not the most cockamamy idea ive ever heard on a theme park forum, there have been much worse or barmy ideas that we as fans and the parks have put forward/into place - washing machine section on the smiler? Swarm backwards? A decent horror maze based on a horror film (which they compared themselves to the states). 3. The whole arguement for them not being able to do it on the ride for mental safety reasons is nonsense. If they advertise outside and throughout the queue enough that a method of hypnosis/mind manipulation/pyscological elements will be used, people with or without medical illnesses/problems should be able to make up their mind if this ride is suitable for them, and if there are people with carers, the carers should be knowledgable enough to know whether the person they are looking after can be put into that type of environment. Yes, he has promised some type of pyscological, mind bending element, but until anyone else comes up with a more viable idea as to what derren has bought to this, I'm sticking with hypnosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbennxx Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 even with warnings in abundance, people have undiscovered mental health conditions. Traumatic events can trigger those conditions. There are too many variables, the only "psycholical elements" this ride will employ will be visual. The sort of blink and you'll miss it idea, something is there one second, you double take and it is not there anymore. That will be it. There will be no attempt to hypnotize the riders, it just will not happen. Derren Brown is a self confessed fraud, a showman, he believes in hypnosis about as much as I believe that god exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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