Kerfuffle Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Went to Legoland today...and the firm highlight of the day was (without a doubt)...Pirate Shores! I personally thought Legoland had done an excellent job with the revamp, even though it was pretty minor. The interactivity was very good (eg. Castaway Camp and the 'captain-with-the-jokes') and more importantly, Pirate Falls just seems to get you wetter and wetter with every revamp! All I have to say now is that most of the time, we really CAN rely on Legoland for great theming! (with the exception of Vikings' River Splash...or should I say 'Metal and Concrete - The Ride'? ) "HA HA! What is a pirate's favourite subject at school? It's...ARRRRRT! Ha Ha! ART! Get it? Ahh you miserable lot!" Doc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I went to LEGOLAND today as well funnily enough and would pretty much agree with that whole comment. Pirate Shores was actually pretty decent, far better than I gave it credit for. The Pirate Falls revamp looked great. Had a few old bits that were nice to see. Of course, the original will always be the best to me but there is no doubt kids of today will grow up with the same attitude torwards the new one. It certainly gets you wetter.. (Plus lots of little interactive elements) The old queueline to the Pirate Falls was gutted and redesigned. Part of the old Pirate Training camp now replaces the duplo area in the queue. Castaway Camp looked impressive and was extremely busy which was good to see. Burger Kitchen looked nice though not a patch off Crossed Ribs BBQ in my opinion. LEGOLAND can do themeing. So my question is, why can't the rest of Merlin? Despite this, why do all Merlin attraction signs have to be 2d vinyl signs. Can't we be a bit more creative here? I miss the Jungle Coaster big time.. All in all, I am 18 and had an awesome day. (wow, I need to grow up) Matt 236, Kerfuffle and TPJames 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Compared to what I saw when I went there a few months ago, it does look like they've made some improvements to the area. Castaway Camp looks a pretty decent kids area and update to the ageing Rat Trap that used to exist for many years (although I'll always remember it for my childhood). Joke telling pirate is a great touch in my view. Adds some humour and interaction to the area. Pirate Burger Kitchen theming additions are quite an improvement to the big shed it was when I visited (least it's actually pirate themed now (but I still prefer Crossed Ribs)). Still, it's a shame the pirate band weren't working, the old falls had better theming and storyline and the other burger kitchen at the park looks hideous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1hrisin Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Have you noticed how a lot of new bits of theming aren't models made of Lego any more? They are just giant scaled up pieces. I think its a huge shame because that's what made Legoland really special to me, the fact it was all made of Lego now most of it is just giant moulds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 On another note now, while I was queueing for S.Q.U.I.D Surfer, I saw this HUGE fireball suddenly rise from behind the Burger Kitchen! Is this just one of the effects for the pirate show round the corner...or did something go horribly wrong in the Burger Kitchen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Have you noticed how a lot of new bits of theming aren't models made of Lego any more? They are just giant scaled up pieces. I think its a huge shame because that's what made Legoland really special to me, the fact it was all made of Lego now most of it is just giant moulds. This is true! I know the updated Fairy Tale Brook is specially guilty of this and more recently, the Pirate Falls. I don't mind so much if the sets aren't Lego but all large scale objects and figures most certainly should be. I particularly took a dislike to the plastic sea monster/octopus legs that come out in the lagoon before the lifthill. Everything in there is lego, so why can't that be? Maybe Merlin's lazy side is rubbing off on Legoland afterall? EDIT On a side note. Looks like the Pirate Falls hideout (where the drop is), has been completely rebuilt. It looks to be the same design but the wood is a lighter tone and looks much newer. A Merlin park that actually invests and maintains their log flume rather than let it decay and then decides to remove the features that actually made it awesome in the first place. I am looking at you Loggers tunnel and Dragon Falls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1hrisin Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Maybe Merlin's lazy side is rubbing off on Legoland afterall? It seems true. So Legoland wasn't actually in the clear of Merlin's cheapness :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 LEGOLAND can do themeing. So my question is, why can't the rest of Merlin? Despite this, why do all Merlin attraction signs have to be 2d vinyl signs. Can't we be a bit more creative here? Lego can do theming to the extent of the other parks.. it's no better than some other merlin investments. 2d vinyl Signs? The Smiler, Nemesis Sub Terra, Thirteen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Lego can do theming to the extent of the other parks.. it's no better than some other merlin investments. I disagree. Thorpe, Alton and Chessington have been known to produce quality theming (Nemesis, Swarm, Tidal etc) but I wouldn't say they are consistent. Whereas Legoland, while theming is generally smaller, I would say it is much more considered. All you have to do is look around the area to see little theming touches that just bring the space together. The joke pirate, the lizards hidden in trees throughout adventureland, the models placed either side of paths (Land of the Vikings), the singing heads, the pirate band, Enchanted Forest models . They are all things that most parks wouldn't bother with, but Legoland do. 2d vinyl Signs? The Smiler, Nemesis Sub Terra, Thirteen? Vinyl/2d signs are becoming far too common is my point.The Skyrider sign is now vinyl, the Pirate Falls is vinyl, The swarm is a 2d sheet and could have been far more creative. I have never seen the Thirteen or Sub Terra signs so I can't comment there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Yeah fair enough with the area theming - that's the thing when lego own 30% of merlin, they kinda want their product to look the absolute best (and not really interested in anything else). Lego is just ridiculous for 2d signs anyway - I hate how all of their signage is either on plastic or with perspex infront of it, no creativity or variety (and usually no difference depending on area too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 I hate how all of their signage is either on plastic or with perspex infront of it, no creativity or variety (and usually no difference depending on area too). Well LEGO bricks ARE made out of plastic so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) It seems that, despite the Haunted House ride for next season being recommend for approval, the council have refused the approve the ride! Why you ask? Fears over extra traffic... http://www.windsorexpress.co.uk/News/Areas/Windsor/Legolands-haunted-house-proposal-refused-planning-permission-14082014.htm Such a shame. I wonder what Legoland's next step will be... EDIT: After looking through the plans and such - http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/view.jsp?ID=14%2F01251%2FFULL - it seems like there was a LOT of objection from locals, with traffic being one the major concerns. Also sounds like there was a disagreement between how much it would encourage new visitors to come to the park. What's most interesting about the comments received is the ones from the Highway Authority. At first, they didn't seem in favour of the project, but then changed their minds.. Therefore, the Highway Authority recommends approval of the Haunted House application subject to the inclusion of the following condition:‐ The applicants are required to submit the updated Action Plan to be approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority. All the agreed mitigation measures mentioned in the Plan shall be implemented prior to the commencement of any works on the site. Whilst I understand there will be number of residents and indeed members may hold a different view, we must ensure that if there is a change to the recommendation to refusal, the Authority has sound HIGHWAY reasons to defend a refusal at an appeal. I wonder if we will see an appeal on our hands then.. Edited August 15, 2014 by JoshC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Well that really is a shame. No wonder they have resorted to building climbing frames and playgrounds. I don't know what will be next but I very much doubt it will be on the scale of what the plans were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Tidal Wave Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I just don't see why the locals object of it! Legoland dealt with the noise complaints from Jungle Coaster, putting roofs on the cars and later removing it! Why can't they think "they took down the noisy Jungle Coaster, let them build it!". Plus it's indoors there would be no noise complaints! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1hrisin Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 They are complaining about increased traffic, not noise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Because the UK is full of NIMBY's. I say **** them and build it. The traffic stuff could EASILY be sorted (the locals moan about it - drive through that area of Windsor over winter and it's just as bad). They complain for the sake of complaining. Altitude, Kerfuffle, Matt 236 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 ...and since when does a DARK RIDE affect the OUTSIDE world??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 You're missing the point The locals are complaining about the implications for traffic to and from the park based on a new ride opening, not the noise levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 By that judgement, any major ride would from now on be rejected on that basis. This is what I find frustrating about the UK. I am sure if the planning laws weren't so tight, we would see alot more development in our parks. Chessington is clearly the worse though most UK parks share this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluk Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Lets not build anything ever then, eh? This country is a shambles when it comes to planning. I do wonder though how much Merlin shoot themselves in the foot with with these problems with their tight opening hours, dumping all their traffic out right on top of rush hour. Extending the hours out a bit to spread the pain into quieter roads would surely help. MattyMoo, Cal and Matt 236 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraX Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 VERY good point. All their parks have this, load of cars exiting all their attractions (usually), straight into rush hour. It's a shame, are they able to re-apply? Lego really needed this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Users Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Hindsight would say that this wouldn't have happened if the park actually gave some thought on its impact on locals. If this sticks then future developments are a bit screwed. Kerfuffle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Lego has the best opening hours of the lot... 7pm during their busiest times, and sometimes extended to 8pm. Still doesn't help apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 I think it's strongly disappointing this attraction has been refused planning permission. Whilst Legoland is certainly plagued by many traffic problems during its operations (probably worst affected traffic wise of the Merlin parks), I think it's a great shame the council have rejected the plans for this new attraction which is escential hour the park to progress and still obtain visitor figures as one of the uk's most visited attractions. There are several ways the park and council can resolve traffic issues, these are. 1/ strongly encourage deter strive routes which are plenty 2/ add traffic controls 3/ add longer opening hours It greatly worries me that if this development never happens, Legoland will be in certain doom for future development and expansion very near or on the degree of Chessington's with a bleak future ahead, merely involving rethemes and playgrounds as new investments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Legoland won't have a bleak future because it'll still pull in the guests... Whilst the ride has been rejected, the reasons behind it are reasonably sound from locals, indeed, there's a good difference between parks that have a good relationship with locals and those without... It would probably be in Merlin's better interests to start helping locals out when they have such qualms about the nearby park... Perhaps further widening of the road to Lego is the best option? With some changes to light sequencing and other easier to do tasks as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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