Project LC

To avoid the chains becuase of the lack of discounts seems stupid. The discounts save you nothing, for example pizza pasta compared to pizzahut saves you 30p. The difference in qaulity for that 30p is well worth the price. Its a bad move to change to all home brand. They are trying to improve guest experince and yet anyone who eats at burger kitchen will feel riped off.

All merlin equivelents are far worse quality and even with the MAP discount its still more expensive or saves you very little. To see pizza hut go is a massive shame and I'm sure the majority of their current market still being teenages will agree. £11 for lunch is pretty steep espeically if your a student. If given the choice I'm sure many of those would opt for KFC or burger king, until merlin come along and ruin that to. I find food is the biggest problem at alton due to all the places servering horrible quality food (burger kitchen possibly being the worst meal I have ever had in my life) which unfortuantly leaves our group with just the woodcutters which isnt ideal as its expenisve. I really hope that the other firms dont get taken over as I feel it will negatively impact the park even more.

I hope the announcement wasn't the VIP sale. If it was then they found a new way to disappoint me and I didn't think that was possible after the RnR trails.

Air (5) Battle Galleons (5) Cbeebies Land (5) Charlie & The Chocolate Factory (5) Congo River Rapids (5) Driving School (5) Duel (5) Enterprise (5) Frog Hopper (5) Hex - The Legend Of The Towers (5) Marauders Mayhem (5) Nemesis (7) Nemesis Sub-Terra (5) Oblivion (6) Ripsaw (5) Rita (4) Runaway Mine Train (5) Twirling Toadstool (5) The Blade (1) The Flume (4) The Smiler (8) Th13teen (5) Sonic Spinball (5) Skyride (5) Oblivion +1 The smiler -1

I am aware of this. It would be nice if they did spend a bit more on themeing from time to time. Especially if that theme is steam punk. I would prefer all out themeing or none and I feel this would suit none better than what it is going to get. The lack of effort ruins the ride somewhat, when they should have just spent the money on making it generic like cedar fair parks.

The trains I understand and the theme is cool but the track colours are just odd and dont fit the theme at all. Also the fact that such a cool theme idea wont be done to the standard it requires is a little dissapointing. Oh air how I wish you were steam punk.

Chief Rangers Carousel (3) Colossus (6) Depth Charge (3) Detonator: Bombs Away (5) Flying Fish (5) Loggers Leap (5) King Pig's Wild Hog Dodgems (4) Mr. Monkey's Banana Ride (5) Nemesis Inferno (6) Quantum (5) Rocky Express (5) Rumba Rapids (5) Rush (6) Samurai (6) Saw: The Ride (5) Slammer (5) Stealth (7) Storm In A Teacup (5) The Swarm (7) Tidal Wave (5) Vortex (5) X (5) Zodiac (3) Stealth + Saw -

Why on earth would they get a ghost train? They have a multimillion £ investment in 2016 which is a dark ride. Why would they install a ghost train if they are getting that. I think I would prefer a top spin converstion to this one. Atleast a top spin could possibly happen and is hated for being a top spin. A ghost train makes no logical sense at all.

Air (5) Battle Galleons (5) Cbeebies Land (5) Charlie & The Chocolate Factory (5) Congo River Rapids (5) Driving School (5) Duel (6) Enterprise (5) Frog Hopper (4) Hex - The Legend Of The Towers (6) Ice Age The 4D Experience (2) Marauders Mayhem (5) Nemesis (8) Nemesis Sub-Terra (5) Oblivion (7) Ripsaw (5) Rita (5) Runaway Mine Train (5) Twirling Toadstool (6) The Blade (3) The Flume (5) The Smiler (2) Th13teen (6) Sonic Spinball (5) Skyride (5) +oblivion -the smiler

Chief Rangers Carousel (5) Colossus (5) Depth Charge (5) Detonator: Bombs Away (5) Flying Fish (5) Loggers Leap (5) King Pig's Wild Hog Dodgems (5) Mr. Monkey's Banana Ride (5) Nemesis Inferno (5) Quantum (4) Rocky Express (5) Rumba Rapids (5) Rush (5) Samurai (5) Saw: The Ride (5) Slammer (5) Stealth (6) Storm In A Teacup (5) The Swarm (5) Tidal Wave (5) Vortex (5) X (5) Zodiac (5) +stealth -quantum

It could be an announcement of a high ropes course like Alton. That would keep in line with the disappointment of an investment I'm expecting next year. They are currently so cautious in investing that they seem to have forget that you need to spend money to make money. In the entertainment business you cant just expect people to keep returning for nothing new. I know that the large 2016 investment will draw people in but the current lack in investments is really annoying.

Once again you have missed my point. I was implying that the ride has some form of intensity rather than souly for throughput reasons. I wasn't suggesting they had added it for fun. That would just be pure stupidity.

It will be something 2015 related. 2016 marketing will be teasers for now. I expect it to be annoucement of shows or entertainment for next year or RnR related. Or a small possiblity would be the IP with the dark ride.

Most dark rides dont need either. Normally you can just take your bags on, so the problem is that they have gone out of their way to install a bag room, to hire extra staff for what at the moment seems like no reason.

The ip will be dead come to the ride opening. A hunger games ride would not be good. An IP which isn't dead would be nice, something from the BBC perhaps which has been around for 51 years.

I hate the saw queueline. Its so over grown. It was good the first time however after that the novelty wore off and the fastracks invaded. Moving every 20 minutes makes the queue horrible so I have adopted never queuing for saw.

They also let you queue inside a large portion of X. They wanted to make it so it was with in the limits by a lot rather than on the edge and occasionally going over. I also think that the regulations must have changed.

Its fire regulations. The building if full cant be evacuated in time if there was a fire alarm. So they limit the number of people in there.

The throughput is about 800-950 which is pretty bad. I find the ride pretty short, although that is probably because of the pre lift section it seems short.

Any thrill ride with the saw ip would have done the trick. Thats what I meant to get across.

A park where this sort of ride works. Thorpe should never have got saw as it is. The low throughput just isnt what the park needed. The woodie or even just another steel coaster would be far better, instead of the disappointment of the short, painful unreliable peice of junk we have now.

Is that a 3x2 seating arangement. If so that would certainly explain the singler rider queue.

The swarms system certiantly needs improvement. There are many ways to solve the problems of one side empty and the other full. Anyway if this dark ride is actor based then it will be terrible a few years later, or even on off peak. No ride should rely on actors, there too expensive to keep running and the overall satisfaction will vary so much between different rides. I do hope the actor rumors are false, I would have thought they had learnt from saw alive.

You have completly ignored the fact that people join queues based on there length. A new ride will draw a 2-3 hour queue as thats how long people are willing to wait. High capacity rides therefore have more people in the queue which takes up more space. Maverick low throughput small queue, millenium force high throughput large queue. Swarm high throughput large queue, storm surge low throughput small queue. A bag drop is stated on one of the plans where it states what the inside is like roughly. The swarm system is annoying, its the fact they still let the right side go empty as no one goes up the stairs.

High throughput rides need large queue lines as an hour queue has more people in it. If people will only wait 2 hours then a ride with 1000pph will be a smaller queue space than one with 1700pph. Looking at more depth in the plans that queue line is pretty big so if they have aimed for a 2:30hr queue then the throughput will be about average (1000-1200).