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  1. 14 points
    This whole thing is the biggest joke since Storm Surge and DBGT Year 1
  2. 10 points
    Converts one of their few family rides (and a great ride in it's own right) into an age gated scare-a-thon. What a mess...
  3. 10 points
    MattyMoo

    Alton Towers General Discussion

    I asked Thorpe on social media if they plan to open Nemesis Inferno at midday for synergy across the brand
  4. 9 points
    I wonder if anyone at the park has any idea what the park should look like in 10 years time.
  5. 9 points
    MattyMoo

    Wicker Man - New for 2018

    Video had to be removed as it revealed the washing machine element, FYI.
  6. 8 points
    So there’s a 1.4m height restriction once again on a coaster which succeeded these last several years for welcoming those just 1m onto, along with a minimum age restriction that’s higher than Saw: The Ride? I have one word for this and I frankly don’t care how nicely themed it might be when it opens: FAIL
  7. 8 points
    BaronC.

    Wicker Man - New for 2018

    The nitpicking in this thread is unbelievable. Imagine of forums like this were rife in the early SWs... "Europe's first inverted coaster" "but but but what about Vampire, not exactly true!!!!" "The world's first vertical drop coaster" "but but but it's only 88.8 degrees!!!" "The world's first next generation flying coaster" "but but but what does next generation MEAN, there's been lots of other flying coasters!!!" It's the first new woodie in 20+ years. It's something to brag about just a tiny bit, after fans and some of the public have wanted for ages. Better than some forced tagline, or a "so much fire is used we've had to forewarm the local hospital's burns unit just in case..." line. Also, literally everywhere makes their products look better for promotional images, not just theme parks. You going to moan that the Big Mac doesn't look exactly like it does on the board at McDonald's? You going to moan that the buttons on that new shirt you bought aren't as shiny as it was on the retailer's website? In saying that, I'm curious as to how the effects will look in the daylight. They've said they're using effects to give the illusion of fire - I've only ever seen that done in lower level lighting at a particular angle. So it'll be interesting to see how they're going to be setting fire to the Wickerman at all angles in all lighting levels.
  8. 7 points
    It takes some effort to make storm surge look good but this has done it with flying colours. At no other point in thorpes lifetime has the park looked completely directionless.
  9. 7 points
    I have to say that I do think X really was the glue that gave something for the family/younger teenagers to do- so its loss will overall in the long-term hurt the park. I think as a thrill ride X will seriously disappoint, the ride is a small Vekoma family coaster with a fairly tame layout due its constant break runs.. X as a family attraction honestly I think was the best years of its life as it actually had some fun in it.. Okay it wasn't amazing but it filled a huge hole in the lineup and it seemed popular with the public. If they wanted to appeal to the thrill market they could of least maybe installed a new flat where Slammer was? Or maybe give Colossus some new trains? Something that won't be 100% irrelevant in 5 years would of been nice.. When Angry Birds is the best investment to happen in your park in the past 5 years you know you have fu**** things up..
  10. 7 points
    I wonder if they're going to announce a X re-theme? Just a wild theory of mine...
  11. 6 points
    Stupid decision to make the only family friendly coaster inaccessible to families. Seriously, what on earth were they drinking when they thought of this?! Thorpe Park is in such a mess, it seems that nobody has any sense of direction for the park and the short term decisions like this show that all too well.
  12. 6 points
    Robert.W

    Wicker Man - New for 2018

    We have an image of one of the trains!
  13. 6 points
    Mark9

    The Walking Dead: The Ride - New for 2018

    Couldn't give a toss. And I mean that in the politest possible way.
  14. 5 points
    What an absolute joke Thorpe Park have become. One bad decision after another with their new investments. The place is a total dump and this new run down addition just tops it off. The amount of money they waste on rubbish temporary attractions like this could have been used to tidy up the decaying park. Thinking back through the years when there was Colossus > Nemesis Inferno > Samurai > Slammer and Rush > Stealth > Saw. They were really heading somewhere and now look. I blame too many young inexperienced managers. Pathetic Thorpe Park !
  15. 5 points
    I'm confused by the confusion over the choice here. I dont agree with the name (pretty poor for a company who can afford to hire a good marketing agency!) but I am in no way surprised. People keep saying about how it is going to lower the child-friendly lineup and this is bad. I dont see whats so bad about this. Merlin have 4 major parks in the UK: Thorpe Park, Legoland, Chessington and Alton Towers. Legoland is mainly for kids (and people who REALLY like lego), Chessington is more aimed at the younger market - and has some very strict planning controls so cannot build the thrill rides that easy, and Alton Towers also has strict controls over building (I know you can dig down, but that costs way more). Which leaves Thorpe, which doesn't have such stringent controls over building of the rides. From a business point of view, why wouldn't you aim to make Thorpe the Thrill park?? Makes sense to me! You have 3 others who are for family; two of which are very close. Also over the apocalyptic theming - Fright Nights is very popular (and I believe might of been one of the only times the Park sold out). Merlin is a business and has to come up with ways of getting people back and adding new things with tightening budgets (like every other business in the UK). Yes there are annual pass holders, but they are guaranteed money for Merlin (you pay for the year, might not pay anymore). They need people to buy day tickets to kick up attendance and sales. Thats why they have to do things like re-theming X to try and get more customers to walk through the door. Due to the success of Fright Nights, the permanent mazes (I.e. dont cost in building or the extra kit/generators to run) are going to be open out side of fright nights. All they have to do is staff them rather than rebuild them or change the configuration of the walkways like during FN - and this is due to the large success of this years fright nights and the reception of the walking dead. I would say always wait until you have ridden the ride before judging it. Merlin is a business - business pay to what makes them money. On another note, if they are opening up more horror/scare attractions during the main season it might make for a change to fright nights (I.e. the more intense version across the park) which can stop it from becoming stale. Just my opinion - no doubt someone will disagree but you have to look at these things objectively. If when ridden you dont like the ride, simply dont go on it. The park will see throughput fall and then force them to change their ways. The direction of Thorpe has always been all over the place, but thats probably down to the change in peoples behaviours and what works for the park. There has always been a slightly disturbing theme with most of the rides there, and I dont think its a bad thing - as where else caters for the scare/horror/adrenaline market in the UK?
  16. 5 points
    "It’s 15 out of ten on the scare scale.” (John Burton, Thorpe Park) Look forward to having a t-shirt with that printed on it in time for Ministry of Sound meet-up
  17. 5 points
    nah "X marks the spot" There bringing back the Treasure island railway They got the island still, got the loco, give children a black spot and take the train to find treasure just need to move timber tug and lumber jump and u can use the station again A actor driven train ride with special effects and high operating costs on a unusual rail based ride system made by Severn lamb or Alan keef will work great I mean its not like they did that 2 years ago in a warehouse ;p cause thats the only think X can mean ;p seriously though its good word play
  18. 5 points
    Ahh yes, abandoned prison: the ride. Or TWDLNESZ for short (The walking dead living nightmare extreme safe zone.)
  19. 5 points
    I'd rather they focused on infrastructure and guest experience than short term investments such as this.
  20. 5 points
    JoshuaA

    Wicker Man - New for 2018

    Now they dropped the fire marketing crap they could do 'The world's first experience to fuse GCI and boring'
  21. 5 points
    Mark9

    Alton Towers General Discussion

    So things are still worse then the 2017 season but they've shown that it could be worse so now we're all okay with it even though we are still losing hours. Oh and 'flexible closing' has always been there, they just rarely ever act on it.
  22. 4 points
    Observing all the moaners in this thread like
  23. 4 points
    Another Magic Making visit to the local Junk Yard for 'Theming' then... that's if there's anything left, it's all on park already.
  24. 4 points
    It's a clear indication that the park either have no direction at all or they intend to turn the park into a park full of horror and disaster. The year of the walking dead is hardly a sustainable business model for the park. I'm assuming that's come about by the new director who came from the midway attractions. I don't see it being successful as the IP must have cost a lot and I imagine it will have almost no impact on attendance seeing as the last 2 years has focused on horror and if they didn't visit previously I doubt they will visit now. I might be wrong but I suspect the pulling power of the walking dead isn't too strong anymore. The parks direction is concerning to say the least. Teenagers have no money, family's have no reason to attend. They are spending money on incredibly short term investments. They could easily boost visitor numbers by offering a more upbeat thrill ride aimed at the older families that isn't horror related. Everyone likes something thrilling and entertaining, not everyone likes horror.
  25. 4 points
    If you are confusion, I’m disappointment. Every investment opposes the last one - there’s no direction, no purpose and no hope for Thorpe’s future under Merlin.
  26. 4 points
    If the same height restriction as previous was used for this retheme, along with no minimum age restriction, I would've actually given this a chance to deliver and see what it's like despite being against the whole TWD theme in general. But it's because the park are intentionally going to make this out as their next big thrill machine I have a problem, as this is once again going to lead to false expectations and promises with guests. People naturally are going to think this will be an amazing ride with the OMG ANOTHER WORLD FIRST nonsense when in truth, the coaster just isn't great for the market Thorpe are trying to go for here. Therefore, a fair few people who do ride it are likely going to be disappointed as a result and you end up questioning whether this retheme was worth doing in the first place other than for IP bragging rights. X as far as I could see worked very well with it's target audience, this change I simply cannot see happening. You know something is clearly very wrong here when for example a coaster like Helix with 2 launches, seven inversions, massive airtime and near-60mph speeds has a lower height restriction than this. Increasing a ride's height restriction based purely and only on it's theme is sheer stupidity in my view. This is an enormous two fingers up to anyone in the 1m - 1.4m height category.
  27. 4 points
    The park certainly will have to make everything more intense for Fright Nights, Merlin state this X rebrand is 15 out of 10 on the scare scale. Everything else is gonna seem like a walk down CBeebies land.
  28. 4 points
    pluk

    The Walking Dead: The Ride - New for 2018

    What a mess. They'd finally turned X into something fun and worthwhile that filled height restriction gap in their lineup that desperately needed filling, and have ballsed that work right up by inexplicably bringing us a kiddie coaster with a horror theme. Even if the ride experience itself is actually good (highly doubtful!), it's still an incredibly dumb decision. I wonder if the increased height restriction might also mean the fill every seat rule can be dropped?
  29. 4 points
    Marc

    Wicker Man - New for 2018

    Sneak peek at testing - fire and smoke effects - looking good!
  30. 4 points
    Robert.W

    Wicker Man - New for 2018

    I completely agree that Alton getting the UK's first wooden coaster in over 20 years is definitely something to brag about... I'm slightly confused as to why many people here are being so negative about it to be honest. I guess some people just like to pick faults, as illustrated perfectly by BaronC. Also, it's okay to say that it's only "a 40 foot one that's mostly tunnels" because fair enough, that's not exactly an impressive coaster on the face of it, but you'd be completely disregarding the fact that a ride much taller is not possible with the planning conditions that Alton has to abide by. As for the ride being mostly tunnels... that's not really true, but they do have a purpose, which is minimising the noise of the ride... or Alton will just get taken to court again by disgruntled locals. What I'm saying is, you're moaning about stuff that is beyond the control of the Resort. They can't change the height or noise limit. But they are trying the best they can to work around these obstacles and still provide a great experience. I think it's time we appreciate that.
  31. 4 points
    WWTPRadio

    Park Music

    What an odd comment. The CD was released because fans really wanted the music - and so far Thorpe have been the only UK park to do it, based on lots of guest feedback. The music was designed to be enjoyed on park and as part of the island atmosphere, which is why the park has always been so keen to remove any recordings etc from the likes of YouTube. But a CD is something so many people wanted and gives fans the ability to listen to the music, while looking forward to hearing it all at the park in all its full length glory. Still, you can’t please everyone - there’s always someone who moans because they want a CD per track ... I’m sorry if it doesn’t fill you with confidence. This has become one of IMAScore’s best selling CDs!
  32. 4 points
    Get ready for "Ride on a wave of light and sound to the Safe Zone whilst you try and escape the zombies of the Walking Dead"
  33. 4 points
    onair

    The Walking Dead: The Ride - New for 2018

    When will the learn. There just seems to be zero direction with this place.
  34. 4 points
    TPGG

    Walibi Belgium

    The colours Colossus should be
  35. 4 points
    Mark9

    Wicker Man - New for 2018

    Everyones decided it's rubbish so stop with your fake opinions and optimism.
  36. 4 points
    Mitchada04

    Alton Towers General Discussion

    The reasoning for further cuts is because the midways are struggling now as well. But of course, Merlin won't cut them back or stop investing in stupid numbers of those even though it is clear people are fed up of them. Instead, they tighten the budget further on Towers because why not, they've already ruined the park. The second half of 2017 was actually really good for the park numbers wise and many were expecting a better 2018, if not at least the same plus WickerMan. But no, Towers gets a nice new coaster and a fresh amount of cuts. Merlin sure know how to make money. Hopefully with falling out of the FTSE100 too the shareholders will boot Varney off and whip the company into shape. They have the money to do great.
  37. 4 points
    I'm glad there's a lot of backlash over this. Honestly think that Merlin have crossed a line here with cutbacks. If they can no longer afford to keep Alton Towers fully operational for a season, it's time they need to go, sell it to a competent operator who can run it the way Tussaud's used to and move on.
  38. 4 points
    In light of the lunacy regarding Alton Towers this season, I can now exclusively reveal that Storm Surge The Walking Dead is coming 2019 at Thorpe.
  39. 4 points
    BaronC.

    Theme Park Memes

    A collection of mine through the years... And a lovely TPM thing...
  40. 3 points
    My my my, you guys, you made me swim back with your comments! Okay. So. Things to consider, some has been touched upon. New director of Thorpe in the last year or two, so that brings a new opinion, view and strategy of the direction they want the park to go into. Comparing this to DBGT is a bit stupid to be frank. Okay it’s opening year wasn’t great, and then, the creative team seemed to change slightly (I'm not speaking any names in my posts) and suddenly the experience was significantly improved. It’s the same team behind this, and to be honest from a theming and concept side, following on from DBGTROTD and Living Nightmare I think this could be a pretty well thought out and produced project, despite the IP/horror/height restriction change. Someone touched upon Old Town kids rides and Slammer. Firstly, the Old Town rides were in Weymouth Sealife. Why put them into storage if they can be put into an area. Without them that corner of Thorpe would be Rocky on its own. And Slammer, well it’s still standing. It might not be set to run again, but we don’t know what’s happening there; let’s be honest. Someone touched on budgets. Yep. Bang on. Merlin’s had a tough year in the UK and yes, as many know anyway, LEGOLAND parks and midways are where the money is. Hence why they’ve not bought or opened any theme parks without a brand. Even the rumours of SeaWorld/Busch have an element of brand identity within their sale. The company has spent a lot of time growing Heide Park and Gardaland to push them in their local rankings; and has invested as needed into the UK parks as they’ve gone along (Thirteen, Smiler, Wicker Man, Swarm, DBGT...) unfortunately there’s gonna be a cross of budgets. Thorpe is doing satisfactory for the company so much like CWOA and LEGOLAND the money is invested at present at Towers to try and regain footfall. And finally, bearing in mind people know full well where I stand on TWD (even the mazes) TWD did unfortunately do amazingly well last Fright Nights. And whilst people look at this year as ‘X Retheme’ to the general public it’s the year of TWDTR, SAW: Alive, Late Nights etc. It may be a small investment but my god, they’ve been clever. To a paying customer there is basically the Fright Nights appeal (to a degree) for most of the year with the 10pm closes and scare mazes. I think don’t knock it until you try it. And even then just be patient. There’s a lot more behind the scenes than ANYBODY could truly understand I’m sure that swings these decisions; and have trust in each individual that they want the best for the park the same we do. And for the love of god just try and be polite. Positive criticisms and all that; as these teams work damn behind the scenes I bet to bring things like this to reality; it’s not REALLY fair for people to rip it to shreds before they’ve even physically seen the entrance, let alone ridden it. Flipper, out. PS Flying Fish is a family ride. Could suit a non-rider parent, a disabled adult, a young child. You can’t tarnish it as a ‘baby ride’ when actually it can cater to many more than you may initially think.
  41. 3 points
    Who else is looking forward to "The Walking Dead : The Ride: Rise of the Walkers" for the 2019 season? Also wasn't DBGT, advertised as being the center of the island as well...
  42. 3 points
    I'll buy my first ever MAP if there is
  43. 3 points
  44. 3 points
    Wumbamillio

    Wicker Man - New for 2018

    Merlin definitely understand how stupid people can be
  45. 3 points
    MarkC

    Feedback of the Forums

    Marc needs to make some money somehow this year. Luckily he will be saving them next as Reading tickets will be cheaper in league 1.
  46. 3 points
    Marhelorpe

    Park Music

    Probably in the minority view here by saying I actually prefer listening to the tracks as they have been edited together on the discs as opposed to hearing the full versions and here's why: • Tracks such as the Entrance, Port & Basecamp, Fright Nights, The Jungle and DBGT are each somewhere I'm certain in the 30-minute range and all of them have sections which I like to call "filler areas". These areas sound as though they are used as transitions between some key melodies and sections and don't sound anywhere near as interesting compared to the extracted parts we have on the discs. For example, take a look at the Port & Basecamp tracks on the disc. There are 6 altogether totalling in at around 17 minutes, which means approximately 13 minutes of audio has not been included on the disc for this area. It is likely these are "filler sections" to help transition each of those 6 tracks together into one big version without any noticeable pauses or silent sections present. • If I were to have a single 30-minute file to listen to, what if I want to scrub to a point I like the sound of when listening to it? How do I know whereabouts in the track I need to be in order to find it other than guessing or remembering a certain point? Having a long track split into several smaller ones makes it much quicker and more convenient to find the moment I am after when I'm either listening or editing a video for example. • Something I really like a lot with some of the tracks is they have been remixed together in a way which sounds better compared to hearing them at the park itself, the perfect example being Big Top's theme. The version on the disc has clearly been remixed to include all the variations played inside the maze into one file and honestly, I love it! Works much better to have just one file with all the variations put together into one, as opposed to having at least 3 separate versions of the same 2.5 minute melody. Also, I don't know why people are surprised the full versions are not on this disc, because if you look at every single album IMAscore has made (minus Kärnan), not a single one of them features the full versions used for their respective attractions. Not one. The Klugheim and Chiapas albums don't have all their audio on them, nor does Heide Park, nor does Liseberg, nor does Magic Valley etc. As things stand as an enthusiast, of course I would love to hear every one of these tracks fully, but I'm just glad we've managed to get something out of this audio changeover more than anything as I thought it would never happen. Heck, people are still waiting for more of The Smiler's 75-minute audio and it's been nearly 5 years of waiting so far! So I'm thrilled with what we have and hope Alton Towers are next to follow.
  47. 3 points
    StevenVig

    Alton Towers General Discussion

    That's where the entire years budget went 🙄
  48. 3 points
    MattyMoo

    Alton Towers General Discussion

    To be fair though m8 Merlin have painted Towers St. Bar & Grill bright orange so that does make up for the staggered openings.
  49. 3 points
    Mark9

    Alton Towers General Discussion

    This really is the problem. The more they cut, the less people feel the need to go, the more they feel the need to cut, thus making the cycle more vicious. Four hours for Nemesis and Galatica is the absolute pits though. After the initial Smiler incident I defended their cuts because it was inevitable that there would be a backlash to what happened. Three years later though, these cuts are indefensible and Towers (more specifically Merlin) need to decide their priorities because opening your theme park with four big rollercoasters closed for the first hour is simply unacceptable.
  50. 3 points
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