YEH! Let's all blame Rich *Points finger* haha.I think it's just the fact that we're all really similar people, and we're all so passionate about the same thing. Mix that together and you get fireworks.we all want our point of view to be heard and sometimes this can cloud our vision of the other person's point.I do aggree with you Rich, 100%. The thing is with this kind of discussion id that it'll go around in circles as people will be like "they need to, but they won't," and then someone else will come along and go "but they should, and need to".The thing is, if we all aggreed then there wouldn't be any discussion, but at the rate we're going at, the thread just seems to be revolving on itself- which is also very boring.Either way, it's been good to actually have a proper discussion on TPM, I've really enjoyed it, so in actual fact, we should thank you Rich for making a thread that's struck a nerve with many people.More like this I say! (but be nice)