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Yes debate can be good, if it's done well. What Ian said to me wasn't right and wasn't from a good place so I'm throwing it right back at him, even if it makes me look a fool. And by the way I meant people without what appears to be a significant enough mental illness sometimes get a pass, as was mentioned earlier by someone else, but I get where you're coming from with your point. And before someone says "all mental illness is significant", I agree but there's a flaw when it comes to how should get any queueing "privileges" if you can call it that.

Oh and here's your earlier post, just for reference. [Double post, god I'm a hypocrite]

Okay that's it. You have the nerve to call me ignorant when you don't even know me? I don't need to hear your heartwarming story about how you give up everything for the disabled. I treat everyone equally just like everyone should. If you understood my post you'd think differently. I admit "annoying" for staff was a bad word to use, I should have said "time saving" if it makes you feel any better. I personally think there are better, more efficient ways of doing certain things. I know my view hasn't been welcomed on this thread but to be honest I don't care in the slightest right now. Me having an opinion that different from yours does not make me ignorant. I am not ignorant to how disabled people feel, however I am personally not disabled so I, fortunately, don't know exactly what it's like. And before you say anything, I have to live with mental illness every day so don't even think about posting how I'm ignorant or arrogant. You then go on to say in your post that "nobody said anything about pens being emptied". However, it was you that actually mentioned it two pages back (page 5 of this thread incase you cannot count), so don't use that argument. In my opinion, like I've said before, mental and physical disabilities are different in so many ways, and although they both prohibit that person from being able to queue, I personally think it could be dealt with better as the system is obviously being abused.

I agree to an extent but people have to eat/afford electricity every now and then. If having a job in the first place is so great and "lucky", why such an unlucky wage? Better treated employees = Better customer service!

^^ Ryan seems to be opposing it that's for sure. I would imagine more people have mental illness than physical disabilities that prohibit them from standing in a queue line. Therefore if you used this same system of emptying an entire cattlepen for every person, it's going to get annoying for staff. Why add to this more? Or if that's not plausible, change the current system so it would reduce the amount of stress for everyone, staff included.

Oh I agree too, it just annoys me how some people seem to use the point as a way of making somebody else look bad. Sorry if you disagree, but mental and physical illnesses are not the same.

Because in many ways they are completely different. [insert patronising comment about how you have to experience both to understand blah blah]

^ Nobody was saying their lives were not hard, we were discussing how mental health should be treated. On the subject, would a pager system work for the major rides for those with mental illnesses? Then just the current queue time runs out, they can hand back either a little digital device or a card which lets the staff know that they've queued and then they can ride the attraction? I know it's similar to R&R but that doesn't seem to be working on such a large scale.

Again I doubt anyone will agree with me here, but I think everyone should queue equally (just in different ways). When I was at Wicksteed years and years ago, I was queuing for those jumping boat things in the pond. There was an autistic child behind us in the queue who kept on swearing loudly, crying and shouting at his mum because he want to "go to the front" and not queue. I know I don't have autism so I don't fully understand it, but I personally don't think he should be able to get on a ride faster than me because he is impatient and doesn't want to wait. As for ADHD, why should someone get to go on more rides than me just because their brain lining is thinner and they feel like they will get agitated stood waiting. Maybe they could have a virtual queue on the major rides so that you can book a place and wait elsewhere? Oh wait, they do! I know the park plan to use R&R for all guests, but it could work for just disabled guests. That goes for physically disabled guests too in my opinion. If you're in a wheelchair, I don't think you should be able to skip queues. They're the same as us and I'm sure 99% of wheelchair users are probably just as patient as us too. If they can't negotiate the tight queue lines (which I completely understand) then a virtual queue (that lasts just as long as the real queue) would work, surely? Another example is my mother. Anxiety runs in my family and she finds it hard to queue in cattlepen queues. A few years back we all wanted to go on Loggers Leap, however the queue was fairly long and my mum panicked. We dealt with it by simply asking if she could wait at the edge of the station/exit, and stand there until me, my brother and my dad got through the queue! None of the staff minded and it meant we could all enjoy the ride without skipping queues or making others wait! Anyway that's just my opinion.

Hate to sound rude because I'm not trying to be, but if you can't wait in a queue because of ADHD, can't you just distract yourself? I understand if you have anxiety though.

I hope not, I'm heading to the Edinburgh Dungeons this week and I want a go on Drop Dead! What are these changes then? Just the restraints?

It's a milkshake shop, you have to pay for it?

Trying to persuade my friend to go back with me in September before uni! I REALLY hope I go, as I connect with this attraction more than I do usually.

Surely at eye level most of the X building will be hidden except for the tip of the pyramid? I agree it might detract from it though.

So Baron is now testing with staff, and with music! Apparently the singing at the beginning comes from inside the tunnel which is amazing, however I don't know if that was just Google Translate misleading me.

No Mac version?

Probably Hartenhof which was supposed to be built in 2013 I believe. They've built the restaurant for it already just not the actual ride haha.

I meant the support structure is so unique and a lot of us were so excited when we first saw the artwork months ago. To me that's the sign of a good ride, something that makes you curious and excited. I just love the detail. How all the theming seems to "work" and power the lift hill itself. Everything about this ride feels magical, well at least to me it does anyway.

I think it looks fab. So different to any other dive coaster <3

New HD testing video with lots of mist and some tiny bits of added theming!

^ Plus a dark ride next year!

The sad thing is people actually PAY to read crap like that. When I worked at Sainsbury's Local the number of people who would buy the Mirror, Daily Mail and the Sun was shocking! Annoyingly I didn't have an excuse to refuse the sale.

A reasonably priced option?

Does anyone know if there's a bus from Soltau to the park? I think the Heide Park website said something about it but the translate option seems to have disappeared so I can't read anything!