JoshC.

I'd be surprised if we saw a B&M for the next big thing. Realistically, there's not really anything B&M currently offer which Thorpe need. Of course, they could work on something entirely new, but I just don't see it happening. As I've said before, Thorpe need a large-scale family ride. Preferably a coaster. In a similar fashion as to how Towers needed (a new) one in Th13teen, Thorpe need one too. It's a shame things like the motorbike coasters and tilt coasters from Vekoma haven't proved that popular / good, as in theory, they could have been good family coasters that added to the line up the park already has...

The one at Walibi Belgium also had some problems with park and stuff whilst some of us were there. Don't know how regular an occurrence that is of course, but could fit a pattern.

In fairness, this largely isn't the case. Europe have some great and unique rides; there's only one flying coaster for example, a variety of smaller dive machines which are based more around theme, the Mack launch coasters in Blue Fire and Helix, some fab woodies, etc. There's only a select few examples where it feels like Europe has inferior copies of US coasters (and these sorts of coasters are one of them). I guess you could argue if you were to directly compare the two, not taking into account history and what not, Europe has 'smaller' versions of what the US has, but of course, size isn't everything.

Isn't there a way to upload your photo and get your pass posted to you? Or have they got rid of that option now? Might be worth asking Merlin via FB/Twitter if there's another option open to people in your situation

1) I'd assume height is one reason. Also, since Thorpe have the tighter height restrictions, they probably worked closely with Intamin to make there be a minimal number of high-level supports, and to make the lower level ones as 'strong' as possible. 2) The name is unknown at the moment. 3) This is just under 370ft; so a good 50ft shorter than TTD.

From TPR forums... It looks...erm yeah. Odd? Silly? Awkward?

TRAINS (Images from Coaster Crew FB)

What's Air? Unless you literally mean they've repainted / jet washed the air?

Couple more pictures of the Nemesis repaint, courtesy of Towers Street... I do believe that there will be some aged rust / dirt effects added (as in the photo a couple of posts above). The second photo really shows the difference this is making though!

Cheeky plug time by me: http://forum.maniahub.com/blog/10/entry-421-the-swarm-forwards-vs-backwards/ tl;dr - Forwards has better moments than backwards.

I sure hope it isn't open then...

Back right forward facing would be lush

The thing is, what other names could those attractions have gotten? -Lego Movie 4D Experience. It's related to the Lego Movie and it's 4D. What other name could sell that? -Pandamonium. PUN PUN PUN. I like it. It's a stage show about Pandas and things probably get a little bit crazy. -Derren Brown's Ghost Train. It's an attraction created by Derren Brown, and it's his interpretation of a Ghost Train. It's a lot clearer than some obscure thing like 'Derren Brown Presents Automatons' or 'Derren Brown: Mind Gap' or something. -Galactica. It sounds space-y. This is actually one I think had more potential, and one that probably should have included Air in the name. But it's not a horrible choice, really?

Spring 2016 is going to be the best answer you'll get to that question. So literally any time between March and end of May (maybe even beginning of June if there's any delays).

By your argument, it would seem Meg is one of the most popular characters from Family Guy

You'd be surprised how easy it is to convince the general public. By simply saying something along the lines of 'The work we are currently doing to Loggers Leap is behind the scenes, so you won't see any changes yet', many people will accept that and move on. It is mainly the enthusiasts who will want to know more / not fully believe. The majority of guests will take that simple excuse any carry on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the first time anywhere on social media that they've said it will be opening in 2017? All other replies have said 'Loggers Leap is closed for maintenance in 2016', but never explicitly mentioned a reopening in 2017. Possibly just a mistake, but something to keep in mind in my opinion...

Yes. Yes they are. Though it wasn't all that popular, unfortunately.

So an Angry Birds pop badge is currently for sale on eBay: http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/THORPE-PARK-merlin-official-pop-badge-2015-ANGRY-BIRDS-/272114504968?nav=SEARCH At time of writing, it is at £16 with 11 bids.

And everyone's favourite German enthuasiast, Tobi from PhantaFriends.de, has made a No Limits recreation of the ride... If this doesn't spin, then we've got a fun-looking ride. If this does spin, then we've got a potentially insane ride.

I get the core of what you're saying, and I do agree with you to a degree. But if a park wants to offer attractions which either require more time, are more personal or go above and beyond what you expect at a park (for example, bungee-jump style attractions, the Wave Ride from a couple of years back, etc.), then I don't have a problem with that. So I guess what I'm trying to say is upcharge attractions are fine if they have their place, and are justified in charging. You see, if they have spare budget for actors (or spare budget or whatever), I'd much rather they put that towards I'm a Celeb, or just park-wide actors just giving more a feel to the place. Would no doubt be just as well received - perhaps even more - than introducing Containment. If it's there as a direct link to Ghost Train, then it's more understandable. But then it still circles round to the original point I made that scare attractions just aren't popular outside of Halloween. Yes. 2002 - Colossus and a retheme of Thunder River to Rumba Rapids (plus a new show I think?) 2003 - Inferno and Quantum and Eclipse.

By applying for planning permission, it means they want to keep the containers there all year round. If the containers were only to be there for a couple of months of the year, they wouldn't need permission. So it will presumably open for parts of the year outside Halloween, otherwise they would just move the containers. But how often, if there's a charge, etc is completely unknown. I agree with one price for all attractions idea. However, in certain situations, where you get an exclusive, personal or very long, high quality, experience, I have no problem in there being upcharge attractions at any park.

There's also generic scare mazes all year round across the country that work fine. But that's never meant they've worked in a theme park setting. Admittedly escape rooms are more popular since they're less scary, but I fear the same thing will happen here. The good feedback is surely to be expected though? And even if they asked guests "Would you go on this all year round, not just in Halloween?" and the main response is "Yes", there's still a huge difference between someone saying that and someone doing that. I'm not against them bringing an attraction to the park, especially when if it's a well-themed attraction which I enjoy. But I feel like the money invested in actors for this could be much better invested in other attractions / general entertainment across the park. It's also an attraction which will have little return appeal, unless they are able to make it easy for the codes and clues to be changed. Which is a problem when there's a big push on Annual Passes and return visits.

TPM's article - http://www.thorpeparkmania.co.uk/news/25-01-2016/Containment-to-be-Made-Permanent ---- I'm going to be perfectly honest here. I really don't get the point of this. It strikes me as a pointless thing. Why? BECAUSE SCARE ATTRACTIONS DO NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF HALLOWEEN AT UK THEME PARKS. Look at every scare maze that Merlin have had outside of Halloween... -Freakshow 3D; Summer 2005. Dead, despite the park being busy. -Saw Alive; 2010-2012. Only lasted two full seasons, and the main reason it was popular was because it was Saw. -The Twilight Zone; Vampire XXI event at Chessington. Dead, despite the park being busy and pushing all things Vampire. -Sanctuary; early 2013 at Alton Towers. Dead, despite being free and a popular maze the previous Scarefest. -Krake Lebt; 2012-2014(?) at Heide Park. Okay, not a UK park, but still a good example. Lasted just as long as Saw Alive before being turned into a kid-friendly version. Then axed. If people want their scare attraction fix outside of Halloween in the UK, there's plenty of places to go. Theme parks is not one of them. Scary attractions are good at theme parks. Great. But scare mazes and the like just don't have the popularity that they do during Halloween events. People go to theme parks all season round for the rides and attractions; not to walk around a maze and be scared by people. They go to theme parks at Halloween for that. At least with I'm a Celeb, you've got an attraction where you can have fun and laugh, so it at least has potential to work. I'm not jumping on the wagon of saying 'Actor led experiences don't work', or 'It will be expensive to run'. Whilst they're very valid points, these things won't matter if it's a popular / worthwhile addition to the line up. But this is the thing, this won't be a popular addition to the season-round line up. This won't be a worthwhile addition either. It just makes no sense?! And if I've interpreted the plans correctly, Thorpe have said they used Fright Nights to gauge whether Containment would be popular. And since it was popular, at a scar, Halloween themed event, they think it will be all season long. Where is the logic here? Personally I don't think this will have an upcharge (see, for example, Sanctuary's situation in 2013). If they keep it the same, you're looking of groups of up to 10 people. Is there really going to be 10 people every 10 minutes wanting to pay to go through it? No. In all likelihood, they will change it so that it's designed for smaller groups, but I still don't think it will have an upcharge in that case either. The small queue they've got shows that in my opinion. I wonder if this will be an attraction which only opens at certain times through the day (say 12-4 or something, for example), or only on peak days? Another thing which I really question is the budgeting. When I went in Containment, there were 4 actors through the experience. They could probably get away with 3 if they keep it relatively similar. But you still have to consider letting actors take breaks and whatnot, so you'd need a couple more presumably? So say this attraction is using 5-6 actors. Wouldn't those actors be better placed in I'm a Celeb, making a more memorable experience for all the family? Or roaming round the park, entertaining all the guests and helping create a fun atmosphere on park? Or a small show somewhere? It just seems weird to throw money at this when it could be better spent in so many other places across Entertainments. As many people here will know, I don't like being negative about theme parks without good reason. And even then, I don't like heavily criticising decisions which will have had lots of thought and time put into them. But I just can't see this being anything other than an unpopular attraction outside of Fright Nights, before gaining lots of attention for 3 weeks of the year. And in a couple of years time, we're just going to be left with it sitting idly by. Of course, there are still plenty of details we don't know about (the exit has also moved, which might indicate a reasonable re-design inside?), and there could be enough changes there to make it suitable enough to open year round. We don't know yet. But I just don't see that happening. I'll still experience the attraction the first time I go when it's open, but whether I'll make regular visits to it is a completely different matter...

Something must be wrong, Benin is usually the first to bring up an Aquatrax...