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Well, as FF is a powered coaster, I'd assume that it would reach the maximum speed (which is around 18.8MPH) in less time than that.As for the drop, it does feel of a similar speed to FF, so I'd assume it would be about 20MPH max.

I'm on there right now!

I think the reason why the indoor drop is much more 'forceful' than the main drop is because: It is usually unexpected. Most people can't prepare for it.It is smaller.It isn't as steep, thus meaning gravity pulls you down easier.

Honestly, if you can cope with SAW, you'll be fine with Oblivion. Oblivion's drop is much smoother and longer, as well as being more fun. Therefore, you'll cope fine.As for the whole screaming thing, I do believe that for quite a lot of people, screaming is a way of releasing the adrenaline that is made when you're on such thrill rides. I know many people who scream on rides after they've been on it many times, for fun, or as a way to release the adrenaline. While I find the drop and the blades rather bland and more for show, some people may find screaming helps (that, or they are just generally scared).

With concerns as to when the second car goes up the lift hill, I do believe that it is when the first car is on (or just passes) the outdoor MCBR. Thus why the cars 'meet' when one is on the brake run and one car is going up the lift hill.

Not to mention SAW; that queue line moves rather quick as well.Anyway, back on topic...

Staff do not know exactly what cars are successfully recording and what are not - what I mean is they know that 5 out of 8 cars are recording, and they probably know what number cars are recording, but they can't find out and hold you up in the queue. It is bad enough staff are being asked all the time if people can sit in the front, they won't want people asking to be put into a car that is recording as well.

I'd say that the second entrance to the SAW island is the perfect chance for a scare zone. The island itself would be good, but there is little space, plus families go there to look at their other family members photos or look in the SAW Store. Thus, the second entrance would be perfect. A sign stating how this isn't for the faint hearted, etc. and should mainly be undertaken by people who are wanted to ride SAW, etc. would be perfect!

Syringes pens were back in stock as of today.

For those who want confirmation about ride areas being 'abandoned': (From questions to TP)Also, on last year's 'Behind the Loops' tour, it was said by TP themselves that, like Fever said, the park is becoming a 'Thrill Island' or an 'Experience Park'.

I usually go earlier on in the week (I also went on Tuesday) as I find that to be when the park is quieter. Will probably be popping down tomorrow and will give details of what it was like.

You always say that, but then you get carried away into a whole new idea. Not that I mind of course.Anyway, mine:2010) Ranger County is unfortunately out of place - so is re themed into a jungle land. As the park isn't concerned with themed areas much, it just means that the rides receive a small spruce up as well as new names as well as logos. The Fungle Safari is replaced by a ride like Bouncing Berries at Chessie (What are those types of rides called?) and is themed to a tree (well trees). The same queue line is kept - maybe extended - and, like Fungle, the ride is closed for FN when The Asylum is in use. The rest of the area is used for greenery, maybe just a quiet bit of grassland. A repaint of Samurai.2011) Over the closed season, Colossus was repainted and had the effects sorted out and a little bit more theming added. The entire entrance area is redone and the car has little extras (like ride models) scattered round to make the area look a bit nicer. A new coaster is announced for 2012.2012) A new woodie opens on the Treasure Island and infill island. The ride is themed as a dilapidated roller coaster that could break down any minute. The queue line shows timber which is broken parts of tracks. A bit like Oblivion, with the reassurance that the ride is safe, but with just announcements as opposed to being on TV screens. You are told the ride is 'safe as steel' and 'can't collapse'. However, ''newspaper reports'' throughout the queue line say otherwise - that 'wooden structures can't be built on islands' (you are repeatedly told you are on an island) as well as other reports about how 'wooden roller coasters have been deemed unsafe', etc. The ride station is on a similar style Colossus (in other words, a small building). The ride itself would have on board audio (yes, this is possible). The 100ft lift hill has the strange man who then says how the ride is still 'perfectly safe' and then a noise is heard which basically sounds like part of the structure underneath the train is collapsing. He then says how he knew the ride was 'a wooden junk yard' followed by a manic laugh and then the train goes off round the track. Typical track for a woodie, weaving throughout the structure, etc. and from time to time the manic laugh is heard. The ride ends with the train going through part of the ride and the man saying 'see, safe as steel' and the train then enters the station. (Perhaps even room for an on load and offload station). Of course, the main appeal for the ride itself would be 'Safe as Steel' - in other words, that's the slogan.

To the best of my knowledge, SAW is still running without the MCBR trims. Well, it seemed like that on Tuesday - the dive loop was insane!

Decided to post this here rather than in the SAW topic:My on ride DVD on SAWEnjoy. (Sorry about the sound being out of time - it was how I uploaded it to YouTube).

I was more focusing on ideas that are more appealing to the public as opposed to fans, but yes, that is true.

Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry about that, where did Dragon Khan come from!? I shall change it now to avoid confusion...

SAW will NOT lose its record for the steepest free-fall drop in the world.However, SAW will not (and actually is not) the steepest drop in the world. Currently, another S&S El Loco (like Flamingo Land's Mumbo Jumbo) in America called Steel Hawg has a 111 degree drop (do note, it is advertised as a 120 degree drop. It was changed but the advertisers didn't have enough time to change the adverts, etc.). When Mumbo Jumbo opens, with a 112 degree drop, it will be the steepest drop in the world.What makes SAW the steepest free-fall drop is the fact it is controlled by a brake on the drop, unlike El Locos. This means that El Loco drops are considered as controlled drops, and not free-fall drops. Basically, a load of Mumbo Jumbo (hence the name).And before anyone says it, the Screaming Squirrels LOOK HERE that is not considered as a drop as far as I'm aware. The saxophone elements on the ride are all brake runs that go round a drop, which thus classes them as a brake run, and not a drop.

Just a thought regarding the holding brake at the top of the drop... has the idea been patented by B&M? (Thus meaning Gerstaluer can't use it on any of their rides).

The only effect not working on SAW was the Billy Puppet at the end who congratulates you on being alive. Must say, the warehouse sounds rather quiet now, especially in between each scene.

I don't think a holding brake would be that feasible on SAW. In the end, for it to be effective, it would have to hold at the point just before the tilt, which would then lose the intensity of the drop. In the end, I would have wanted a holding brake, the how feasible it is a different question...

Thanks for that. The Crazy Carnival idea is great! Judging by the success of SAW as well, another dark and scary themed attraction(s) would suit the park perfectly. Thorpe Park NEEDS to put you in charge of their future development plans or something...

Yes please. Your ideas are so well thought out it is very easy to imagine it and see them at the park. I always read them a good couple of times - they are brilliant! When your ready.

In the end, SRQ worked well. Yes, it needed to be stricter sometimes, but overall, it did work well. I will admit that twice there was someone else with me and we did it to skip the queues - but that was because we didn't mind going on by ourselves and we felt it was pointless queuing so we could sit together when we could just fill in an empty seat. In other words, I used as it should have been used - I didn't abuse it. In the end, stopping SRQ will probably lead to more Fastrack sales, thus making the queue longer than SRQ would have done. Perhaps Thorpe should be slightly less penny pinching?

Although theme parks do look into the future, I doubt that look into it that deeply.They may think like this: 2010: We know we want a new flat. We have this space here, and this is a good idea, etc. 2011: Perhaps now is the time not to add a new ride and redo the entrance. 2012: New coaster. 2013: Hotel. 2014: New flat. 2015: New coaster. 2016: Replace X. 2017: etc. etc.The park don't know for definite what will happen, only some sort of rough plan. Anyway, how likely is it that Thorpe will want to build another 200ft (or higher) roller coaster? Stealth is the park's iconic coaster - it stands out (literally) above the rest - why add another to make it look like the ordinary?

Unfortunately, SAW will no longer have SRQ on weekends and (as I interpreted it) on any peak / busy day.Went to the park today, no SRQ. Enquired about it. I was told that many people were using the SRQ to get on SAW multiple times with a minimal queue - it was like a free Fastrack. Now that Fastrack is in operation, the park have decided to stop using SRQ on weekends and busy days (peak days in other words). This may fall onto off peak days - is there a point when the queue isn't going to be too long?Honestly, I'm absolutely against this - very bad move. In the space of 5 minutes, I saw at least 8 empty spaces! Please Thorpe, make the right decision and bring it back - now!