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This thread has been quiet. I guess that's not a surprise - no new maze, scare zone yet to be announced (with no obvious work happening), minimal construction updates. Well let's change that with some construction updates: The Crows is getting another new route / layout I'm a little concerned that it could become a little too "outdoor scare maze" looking at that. But we'll see. One of the biggest issues I've had with The Crows in the last year or two is the higher security / plain-Thorpe staff in the attractions, which I believe comes from the fact it has less CCTV / no e-stops. If they keep building it up like this, they may as well go for e-stops and take the potential operational blips over neutralising the experience with many non-actors. Or take a step back to what it was like in earlier years to reduce the number / need for such staff. Creature Campus set is same as last year: And the stage for Lucifer's Lair is in the same spot (which was definitely better in terms of footfall and guest flow compared to its location in the past): I have heard the scare zone will be announced this week (although that's not a surprise...it is less than 3 weeks until the event starts after all). Given there's no obvious work happening anywhere on park, I expect that means it will be a more literal interpretation of the word "zone" (ie not a walkthrough like Crows / Death's Doors was). Which is fine; the scare-zone side of Lucifer's Lair works well in that regard, so another area of the park like that is no bad thing in my books!

I've never seen that issue before. Potentially a side effect of visiting when quiet. I don't think signage needs removing or anything. Simply that batching staff need to remain clear with telling full groups to go up the left stairs.

Remove the signage. I don't think it used to be there anyway.

Noticed whilst riding yesterday a potential issue with the queueing. On multiple occasions I saw odd groups split up even numbers go to the left for the main queue whilst the third person would join the single rider line. Luckily yesterday queues weren’t long enough to make it a major annoyance however I think the batching staff need to get a bit better at ensuring everyone goes the correct way or perhaps remove the single rider signage

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No difference. The park run both events on the same day, but it doesn't matter whether you buy a Spooky Days or Fright Nights ticket. You still get access to park from 10am-11pm. Officially Spooky Days runs till 5-6pm, with HFN starting at 6pm. In practice all that means is the scare zones are friendlier until 5pm, and then scarier after 6pm.

Thankyou both, much appreciated. Think I've settled for both the Walibi Parks this year, and may try Europa or something different next year. Walibi Holland is a new park for me so going to go for 2 days there, especially after hearing how busy it gets for Halloween. @JoshC. on days the parks open till 11 do you have to buy a day ticket as well as a fright nights ticket? They sell spooky days and fright nights tickets on them days and unsure what the difference is?

Unsure, but it hasn't been seen the last couple of seasons.

Just as an update, I've just purchased my Halloween attraction tickets for Walibi Holland. The absolute cheapest way of buying tickets for all the Halloween attractions (which consists of 4 mazes, 3 experiences and 2 outdoor walkthrough) costs 116.50euros (just shy over £100). That includes a "before dark" ticket where you have to do 3 mazes and 1 walkthrough before 7pm, which is very tight to do since most open at 5pm. It is experience, but genuinely I think is worth it.

Does anyone know why the third boat is missing?

Walibi Holland (when I last went in 2019) was by far the best Halloween event outright I've done. Their standard mazes are good quality. They excel with their 'experiences' (of which they have 3), which are more intense, smaller groups / alone. Their scare zones, which they have several of, are brilliant, along with whole park atmosphere. It gets CRAZY busy though. I'm returning there this year for the event. I've had to budget to include ride and maze Fastrack - whilst it's possible to do all the Halloween stuff without extras, you will be rushed off your feet, and will almost definitely not get a chance to do any rides in the dark without it. I did Traumatica at Europa Park last year. Given it's Europa, the operations leave a lot to be desired (their Fastpass is necessary), and the quality of the mazes is very mixed. Atmosphere is very good though. You need to book in early September to have a chance of getting Fastpass / doing the alone experience. Linnanmaki have a fun event, but nothing to write home about. I haven't done any more, but some notable ones... -Walibi Belgium rebranded their event last year into Ibilaw. The best years of their Halloween event are arguably behind them, but they still do well (the Zombie Bar hasn't been around for a while) -Spanish parks tend to do great Halloween events, if you can deal with the queues / atmosphere. There's also a very well received scream park, Horrorland -Liseberg is pretty consistent

Fire effect update please anyone xox

Since I don’t do mazes I rely on the resident expert at home for those. Liseberg's was good. Walibi Holland mazes were a bit meh. Toverland was ok. Best part of Walibi Belgium was the Zombie Bar on the lake but no idea if they do that anymore. General atmospheres are good though. Probably would need a fastpass equivalent though if available since you know, QUEUES.

Has anyone done any Halloween events in Europe, and if so any recommendations? I did Asterix last year which was great so I’m keen to try some others this year, looking at potentially doing Walabi Holland and Belgium but any thoughts would be appreciated If anyones done either of the Walibi parks at Halloween what did you think of them?

Hopefully it's nothing to do with the ride itself, just the weather.

Potentially weather related; been storms about in the local area.

Been closed all day today, anyone know what's happening?

This sounds like most of Thorpe's flat ride line up 🫠

Just bin it already and put a proper dark ride in. The staff intensive ride phase of Merlin really scuppered them.

Fairly certain it was brand new but it was 20 years ago.

Did it have a previous life before it opened at Drayton Manor? I always assumed it was brand new when it opened there in 2003.

Anyone know anything about what's happening with Zodiac? It's been closed since early June, with not a lot seemingly happening with it... Could Zodiac be going the same way as Enterprise? She's incredibly old now and frankly has had a very long life! There hasn't really been any news on it at all. If they do fix Zodiac, I hope they peel off the old branding off the top of each gondola.

Samurai is being reported as closed at present on the app & online, along with Zodiac which I'm surprised as lasted as long as it has to be honest...