Benin

Elsa and her Jessica Rabbit style costume though

That half Zero G roll thing looks awful though... Aside from that, the ride doesn't seem to do anything that special or interesting, yet people gush over it because it's a 'wooden' coaster... It's a weird one...

Looks less like a Wooden coaster everytime they update it... Basically a steel coaster dressed up to look like a Wooden, nothing more, if it wasn't for the whole 'Wooden' coaster concept of it there would be absolutely no gushing of the company... I think I've realised why they don't connect with me...

Day 3 The final day on park started with a character breakfast, as Pardoes did lots of interaction at an extremely peaceful level never seen at Disney. Once again our first port of call was Vogel Rok with 2 straight goes on the front before having to move back. Burdenous people! And again like the day before, Joris was our next venture. We got there slightly before it was due to open, so I watched the engineers play around with the sensors on Flying Dutchman. Upon opening we got 4 goes, including front and back seat action. It’s always good when rides like this run extremely well first thing in the morning, and when there’s no queue whatsoever, even on 1 train operation. Bob had a fair queue so Single Rider was called upon this time, and resulted in minimal (read, none) waiting. Was still rather enjoyable if a bit awkward being slammed into a random Dutch person on some of the corners. Took some pictures of the Pirana refurb that’s currently taking place as well, it feels like being at Chessie. Fata Morgana was next, I actually took photos this time round instead of being gobsmacked; here they are. We then wandered the park aimlessly for a bit, taking in another Puppet Show before another go on Carnival Festival before grabbing another hotdog and hat combo and watching yet another Jokie Show. Straight out of RCT Coffee Shop! We walked into the Museum again to have another look, and got given free badges for it, yay! Back in the Fairy area, it was time for more Dreamflight and Villa Volta. Because why not? The Train had just come in so we decided to hop on for a ride. Much safety It was then of course time for MORE Pancakes. Much further nomming was had, and we purchased some pancake mix to sneak past customs on the way home, and with Shrove Tuesday next month! We once again rode Carnival Festival and watched the Jokie Show, before one final go on Vogel Rok of the holiday. Bless it. Next were the Gondolettas, which are the fastest Tow Boats I’ve ever seen, yet still take 20 minutes to go around the huge lake. Heading into an area we had barely visited, it was time to mop up the rest of the unridden rides, starting with the Vintage Cars, which were long but nowhere near as good as Asterix’s, the Pile of Ship Halve Maen and it’s 14 rows of WHY were next, which was pretty awesome. Then the final piece of the puzzle was the weird cousin of Seastorm, Moby idiot, which doesn’t go backwards and just goes around in circles at walking pace. Very weird. It was time for the final rides, and what better option to have fulfil this than Joris? A ride on each side for the final determination of which was ‘better’ (the winner of which was Water), but both are winners, as they’re both good. Now when will someone in the UK build a GCI? After Joris, we walked back to the entrance, encountering some cats and buying some sugary as hell doughnuts before settling to watch Aquanura one last time. Upon which it was back to the hotel room to rest before heading home. Efteling is a truly fantastic park. Whilst it may not have a giant assorted of rides, and half of the park is taken up by landscaping or a Fairytale Forest of Forever, it fills itself with charm and colour throughout. And the rides that do exist on the park are all good at the minimum, which is rare for a park to have no truly bad rides (although Carousel land confused me greatly, why have 3?). The staff were all very pleasant and the characters very interactive. The hotel is rather basic in the rooms but even then have little details dotted in them. I could just say it’s my favourite park because of the Pancake Kitchen (which may have helped my opinion formation), but there’s so much more to the park than that. The Disney quality dark rides and the ‘dead’ areas allow you to relax across your day (though I’m sure the full cattlepens would combat this feeling), and with the Fairytale Forest it has one of the most well designed and picturesque areas in a theme park. A truly good theme park is one that doesn’t feel like a theme park. And Efteling fits that bill to a tee.

Least CBeebies has some substantial new stuff going in...

Don't forget Nickelodeon Land as well, cramped as it is... Breathed life into a dull and old area relatively garishly yet successfully...

Ride meant to be themed as ancient Egyptian tomb has too much dust inside it... Certainly not the most highest priority issue with the ride... Or the park...

Ensuring that the park looks in top shape SHOULD be a priority... Simple as... The parks have pressure washers, just need to get some fresh coats of paints on the rides or fix things as they break... It just involves effort and budget, the latter of which isn't provided because there's no apparent return on "fixer-uppers"...

It's probably the cattlepen shed you're talking about, seems that they've taken inspiration from Tiny Truckers...

Cos Merlin... That said, having another multi-looper in the park would need to either be better than Colossus or have some worthwhile difference... An Intamin Blitz coaster with lapbars would be excellent, though not sure on the high throughput front... Though not sure if Thorpe would want to go with something that launches due to Stealth... Hyper-Coaster it is then...

I like my girls curvy... And this girl is no exception

Day 2 The day started with turning on the TV and watching the Making of Documentary Efteling did for Joris, because it’s never too early to be a goon. After some breakfast it was time to join the queue of people waiting for ERT on the poorly laid-out paving slabs. You had one job! Eventually let in, we headed straight to Vogel Rok for some back row times, and since it was completely empty, hopped on again further up the train because we could. We quickly moved on as it was nearly opening time towards Joris, waving at the normal guests as we passed. Themed vending machine We were greeted by the extended queue being open and 2 train operation. Even though they were only loading one, it’s amazing how so many parks plan ahead for busier days by having both trains on and ready to go, rather than adding more trains later in the middle of the day. Oh well, a front row ride on each side and a more edging of preference towards the Water side. A quick go on Python followed before heading over towards Spookslot, and it’s incredibly dark queue of darkness. This show attraction is similar to Twister and features a lot of animatronics and pepper ghosts dancing along to Danse Macabre (or, the theme to Johnathon Creek), which was pretty cool tbh. The quality of the huge set was again to an excellently high standard too. Next up as it wasn’t as windy as the day before was Pagode, my first Flying Island. Certainly not the most interesting of attractions, but it provided a good view of the local woodland and the park as a whole. It was lunch time, and that meant finding a Unox stand. Why? Because WINTER HATS OF AMAZING WARMTH! Left-overs from their Winter event, €3.50 got you a hotdog and hat, whilst €4.50 got you a large soup and hat. Excellent value and an excellent idea, as LOTS of people were wearing these things. We watched the Jokie Show by Carnival Festival which was weird, and featured more slightly racist times, before heading towards our next destination via a nice Diorama mini train room. And now it was time for the Fairytale Forest of Forever. Efteling’s main attraction, being a walk through the woods with several set-ups of various fairytale stories based off Anton Pieck’s drawings. We spent 2.5 hours in this one area, as there’s plenty of show scenes and interesting animatronics to keep you wandering through. Favourites included the infamous pooping Donkey, the Indian Waterlilies and the Chinese Nightingale. Again, the high quality and upkeep of these things were there for all to see, especially for things mostly exposed to the elements. There was even a proper show in the middle of it all which still had a Christmas theme and unfortunate Dragon puppet placement. Certainly this is the reason why Efteling is so popular in its country, not because of the rides, because of how they have created an area accessible to every age-range available that can be enjoyed by all. I’ll let the pictures speak for it. 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Wandering back to Carnival Festival we caught the Jokie Show again, and then was time for the racist Teacups in Monsieur Cannibale. https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31/q74/s720x720/1965640_10153856386010220_1680168351_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/q71/s720x720/1559490_10153856386455220_415779767_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/q73/s720x720/1939590_10153856386710220_1723527708_o.jpg 2 more rides on Joris before it was Pancake time again! https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31/q79/s720x720/1836771_10153856387710220_1417083331_o.jpg https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/q71/s720x720/1795930_10153856388860220_1404998660_o.jpg https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/q83/s720x720/1795964_10153856388695220_813458444_o.jpg We then legged it to Aquanura, and I took some pics of it this time. https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31/q77/s720x720/1911116_10153856389410220_1359422461_o.jpg https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31/q77/s720x720/1913468_10153856390230220_715484444_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/q77/s720x720/1553425_10153856390920220_1345786963_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/q77/s720x720/1655823_10153856392065220_1589062616_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/q77/s720x720/1617585_10153856394510220_228120591_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t31/q77/s720x720/1008710_10153856396235220_321052344_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/q73/s720x720/1553188_10153856399435220_1945012729_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t31/q73/s720x720/1956931_10153856400520220_91098222_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/q77/s720x720/1658499_10153856401185220_586153509_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/q77/s720x720/1800152_10153856402485220_424969007_o.jpg https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31/q81/s720x720/1965484_10153856403865220_943331753_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/q80/s720x720/1909281_10153856405025220_1829746968_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t31/q77/s720x720/1559466_10153856410650220_1531196994_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/q75/s720x720/1796900_10153856411375220_1277794517_o.jpg https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31/q79/s720x720/1939675_10153856411875220_375172694_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/q71/s720x720/1548225_10153856412570220_389117357_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t31/q82/s720x720/1548205_10153856418925220_1545397947_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t31/q73/s720x720/1655379_10153856420070220_69134255_o.jpg https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31/q71/s720x720/1602194_10153856420650220_295578592_o.jpg https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/q77/s720x720/1618297_10153856421100220_178480458_o.jpg https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31/q80/s720x720/1622286_10153856421685220_238656155_o.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t31/q72/s720x720/1614123_10153856421935220_986770609_o.jpg And that was Day 2. The Fairytale Forest does sum up Efteling in several ways. The beauty and presentation of it, with fantastic upkeep and updates to it on a constant basis keep the interest of guests of all ages. Tagging in a free hat with food purchases because its winter is also another perk that’s worthy of mention, especially when they don’t have to do it. After this point, it had certainly shot up to the top of my favourite park list ever.

Because basic maintenance doesn't bring in guests or income... Of course, producing a well kept park with a good atmosphere will make guests happy, and therefore liable to spend more and even return and get friends to visit... It's astounding how little Merlin seem to care about the basics of theme park presentation...

The fire really isn't a valid excuse, because firstly, work should've been in full flow by that point of closed season, and secondly, they shut it all year and could've done ANYTHING... Freak accident (that was avoidable if they hadn't put flammable items near outdoor heaters), or not, to hide behind the fire as reasoning for this appalling showing is daft...

*Checks box on Ride Test Bingo*

Hmmm, just tried doing some of my pics manually on the blog post and it still doesn't show them as pics, but links... Silly website...

Minority issue Has someone limited the amount of pics in posts again? Seems that on my Efteling blog post it decides it doesn't like the coding anymore and leaves the pics as links...

Day 1 What better way to spend the UK closed season than by visiting a park that doesn’t close? Goodbye depressing Merlin situations and hello Efteling, who certainly are the opposite end of the ownership scale, what with being owned by a non-for-profit organisation who happily throw €42 million on a show. So a blustery Saturday morning greeted us, with a flight to remember as the winds took hold of our plane throughout, providing an intense experience I never wish to repeat again in my life. But fortunately the flight was short and Rotterdam was reached (just). A bus to the train station, a train to Tilburg and another bus (Total of about 90 minutes travel time, especially if you get the connections right), and we had reached our destination of the Efteling Hotel! We got our park tickets and through the super secret mini-gate we were in, greeted by a DJ Set-up in front of our first coaster, Vogel Rok. This Vekoma indoor variant is hidden behind a fantastic entrance background and a giant animatronic bird welcoming you into his giant building. A short indoor queue led us into the station and the cattlepen of death (Efteling LOVE hidden cattlepens of death, fortunately we used none of them), and before long we were sat on the ridiculously spacious seats (pros of lap-bars of OTSRs on a Vekoma, given the way Space Mountain at DLP is), and sent off into the pitch black. The ride itself is fun, with a few laser effects and animatronics dotted around as you swoop around the building accompanied by some fantastic music. Very re-rideable (as we found out during the ERT sessions for hotel guests), and probably the smoothest Vekoma I’ve ever ridden. Solid ride and a solid start for Efteling. 7/10 Next door was our first dark ride in Carnival Festival, which is a Small World rip-off in Omnimover form. A really fascinating dark ride; and something that seems to be an institution in Efteling as Bubbleworks once was to Chessington. Catchy theme music, bright colours, moving sets/animatronics, this ride has it all, even some good old-fashioned racism (bless Continental Europe) fill this tour of the world up, from Holland to France (complete with prostitute), London, Japan and Africa; certainly a classic example of a classic style dark ride. Moving on from the area in search of other coasters, we wandered through the park to the opposite corner, taking in the lovely setting of lakes and woodland, before arriving at our second Vekoma, Python. In classic Vekoma white and green, this ride is famous for THAT incident where during an evacuation on the lift hill the train suddenly moved forward due to the unloading procedure. Since then though, it’s had the new Vekoma trains added on with a sexy looking vinyl finish to it. The new trains help this ride a lot though, whilst not as smooth as Vogel, it was certainly the best Vekoma looping thing I’ve been on in a while. Can all of the existing ones have these trains please? A decent helix finale too, but an amazingly bland layout cannot be held up by such an alright finish. 6/10 Efteling have a coaster corner, with Python, Flying Dutchman (closed for off-season maintenance during our visit, so didn’t get to ride it), and Joris en de Draak, the racing GCIs. At the end of last year I thought Stampida was the best example of a well designed (at least, initially) racing style coaster, however, Joris has taken over that mantle exceedingly well, with a layout that is atypical of GCI, and adding in a finish that is often tighter than Merlin’s purse-strings. Even added onto that is the return of the trains to the station; where the winner returns to unfurling banners and cheers, whilst the loser trots in afterwards to boos and jeers. Simple additions that would be deemed as unnecessary in certain parks, but not here; and obviously capped off by a giant animatronic dragon that breathes fire. The choices here are Water and Fire, and generally they don’t differ that much until after the journey back over the station. With the usual array of quick turns, airtime dips and near-misses, it was hard to determine which of the two was preferred to the other. Water tends to gain some lead, but the finale removes that as it goes on a longer journey around the lake next door, where Fire holds back into tighter turns and drops (arguable holding the best drop of both as it dives under the lift hills). In the end they are both excellent coasters, and certainly with the 1.1m restriction they fit into Efteling immensely well. I also get the feeling that Europa were inspired by it slightly, as the swampy queue-line looked very familiar. 9/10 We continued our circuit around the park, walking the long way around due to the mass of construction happening at the Rapids, ending next at the final coaster of the trip, Bob, the Intamin Bobsleigh. I remember enjoying Disaster Transport before Cedar Point spited it so I was looking forward to riding another one. An enjoyable romp through the woods followed, with some surprisingly large drops and some fair amount of lateral Gs. Part of me thinks that these single car versions are better than Mack’s multiple car trains, mainly down to the speed this one achieved, but Avalanche at Blackpool is similar. Oh well, either way, a solid enough ride. 7/10 How to refurb your ride 101 Pictures of Bob are extremely difficult We were hungry at this point, so food was required, and there was a place I had been told (read, ordered) to eat at, Polle’s Keuchen. A pancake place of sheer and utter deliciousness that you so rarely see in a theme park. Heavily themed with a central feature that spun in time to music, open cooking area, waiter service and a bar, all for one little pancake place? Truly, this is the stuff of rare legend. After stuffing ourselves full of pancake goodness, a dark ride was required, so step forward Fata Morgana, Efteling’s answer to Pirates of the Caribbean. From an unassuming queueline of relative blandness around the loading platform, into one of the most well themed dark rides I’ve seen. It uses the tow boat system to its complete advantage, making the scenes feel a lot more involving of the rider for the majority, yet still managed to pull off the impressive large set pieces off as well. Plus some excellent bonus effects were used throughout it. I’ve never been so surprised by a dark ride since Gardaland’s pirate effort, but this is another level. This is truly Disney level dark ride goodness, which resulted in me sitting in awe of the entire thing. Yay for random park entertainment! We had a quick look at the main entrance building (House of the 5 Senses, the most impressive park entrance architecturally speaking) before moving along to the opposite corner of the park again, home to 3 of Efteling’s well-known attractions (unfortunately Ravelijn, the €42 million show, was closed, but the outside of it looks incredible). From one amazing dark ride, to another, this time Dreamflight, an inverted dark ride with an extremely bland cattlepen queue of death (apparently it was once actually themed and didn’t use a side-door) and a station that shared its locale with a café (a very weird one there Efteling), so not the most enticing of starts. Then the ride begins. And after the impressiveness of Fata Morgana, this continued the theme, I was once again blown away by the details, multiple animated characters, the size of the set pieces, and of course the infamous coaster-like finale. It had recently had a bit of a refurb, which did show, but still, my first ride of it, full of the unknown led to even more jaw-dropping moments as gigantic set-pieces revealed themselves. Again, this was some Disney level stuff going on, if not vastly superior. This photo is blurry because it’s the coaster section After a second go on Dreamflight, it was time for another famous one in Villa Volta, the first Vekoma Madhouse. Said to be one of the best ones, it unfortunately suffers from the same issues as the rest, dialogue heavy story-telling. Granted, most Madhouse stories are reduced to “The place is cursed”, but the interesting part is always, “Why is the place cursed?” “Why did the Earl lock up a branch?” “Why is there a Pervy Wizard?” all important questions that rarely get answered if you don’t speak the local lingo. Villa Volta’s first room is an exceptionally bad example of this, as the dialogue comes from speakers in the roof, so you have nothing but people talking about the feared Goat-Riders. The next room improves slightly with the addition of Hugo, the main character and his fabulous animatronic (again, Disney standard), but it still involves a LOT of dialogue. Hex is probably the only Madhouse which manages to get the balance right, as the first pre-show has the accompanying video to tell the story, and the second show has minimal dialogue and is obvious as to what is happening. The ride room though is beautifully themed, and a slightly different (and more forceful) ride cycle to go with it. The music is another feather in the bow of the ride, with another catchy theme which fits the ride perfectly. I would easily say Hex is a better overall product that Volta, but that’s not to say it is bad, indeed, it’s better than its Italian cousins and Feng Ju Palace. But the dialogue is the issue more than the ride itself. Projection Mapping screens live here We had some time to kill so we wandered around to the Laaf Village and did their Monorail thing, which was alright, a very required sit-down attraction. Another go on Vogel Rok followed as we were nearby before walking back to the park entrance for Aquanura, Efteling’s answer to World of Colour, only without projections and just pure fountain action so amazing Amanda Thompson would never leave it alone. Set to various classical music and some of the park’s own music (Villa Volta, Ravelijn, Carnival Festival), it really is a fantastic show, though the wind at this point was problematic and got us extremely wet in the “Optimal Viewing Area”. Nowhere near as bad as watching Disney Dreams in a blizzard that’s for certain, but the timing, colours and various fountain type (and FIRE, because it makes everything better) worked together to create an entertaining spectacle. And that was it for the first day, finding an empty park was not what I was expecting, as was getting every major ride done in a few hours. But we still had 2 whole days, and a Fairytale Forest to visit, so we checked into the hotel, had a nice meal and looked forward to another day of pancakes.

SOMEONE'S got to generate discussion on here...

Pretty arguable considering how well the 'professionals' have been doing with their recent projects...

If the hotel took priority, therein lies the issue with the way Merlin run the parks... The state of the park needed to take priority over an extension to the hotel, because if you provide a poor product to guests, will they bother returning? Regardless of the popularity of the hotel (where a majority are business people), the only really the hotel extension is even being built is because Merlin are desperate to squeeze as much money as they can out of the parks... The park deserves priority to become a quality product again, not be shafted by Merlin's money-grabbing techniques... It's not like the hotel is even going to result in new attractions because of the way the big Merlin pot of money works in regards to park funds... How simple is it that a quality product that is evidently full of care and attention will get the people coming in? Too simple clearly... And possibly naive in the British way of running things...

Feel sorry for the Donkeys having to move to Chessie more tbh...

Oh... My... This is going to be one of, if not the best coaster in Europe...

Will they though? Stand-ups are a different thing I'd say, as none of them are particularly good and I'd say the fad died away more because of rider discomfort over anything... Rider discomfort on a B&M Wing-Rider is something that later variants should remove as that's an issue with the vest design, in the same way that later Maurer Sohne lapbars aren't as bad as G-Force's clamp and die routine...