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You clearly know your onions, Mr Rabbit, but really? They manage to do so very quietly then! I have only ever seen one person ejected from the park (for some sort of domestic based shenanigans, not for breaking a park rule as such, other than swearing maybe) and he was screaming every F + C under the sun as he went (as I expect most people would). They still fail to kick out many many people who have been clearly observed by staff breaking various rules repeatedly. This needs to be remedied.

Ditto me.... Ditto my wife

Ah, fair enough. Was going by the couple of people here who said it had been removed.

Errr there was a photo...

From the proper seated position, on the seats which are lower than the exit gaps and with a small metal rail at the edge, there is no way you can accidently get pushed out of that boat. Unless maybe you have a massive massive head making you exceptionally top heavy?! http://www.flickr.co...48294/lightbox/ If you are already standing you are breaking the rules, so sit down. If someone pushes you in from seated (which would have to include lifting or continuing to push you from around shoulder height long after you have reached the edge of the boat to get to any sort of tipping point) they can be arrested for attempted murder!

Hmm, I've not been this year when it has actually been open to see what it was like, but last year I remember having to queue even on quiet days. It would so suit daily opening but only for a few hours a day - costs would fall dramatically but people would still get the experience in their day. It gets knocked, and I can see why when it is compared to both other mazes and it's own potential, but it has often been the most talked about and laughed about thing on the way home between whatever (non enthusiast) group I have visited with. I want experience based attractions to be the future and I'm sad to see this fail.

Banned for being Gone Away

At the mo whole tunnel is pitch black - no duck or bath visible. Thought this was deliberate as the sound was off as well, just a squirter in the face. Quite like it like that tbh.

Sorry, didn't mean it to sound like a sarcastic reply. I know exactly where you are coming from but after so long operating nothing has changed to the ride and nothing needs changing to the way it is run, other than actually enforcing the rules that are already there.

Looks like a great angle for seeing what goes on up my nose during a ride.

It has, or at least it could not be seen or heard a couple of weeks back. Instead you get a squirt in the face in the dark, which actually takes you quite by surprise (or would do if you hadn't read this!)

Not my statistics, moron. Read the link if you are bothered. I am very clearly saying that doing anything like that would be very wrong. Just because something references racism does not make it racist, I've used it to demonstrate the wrongs of discrimination whether that be racial sexual or ageist. Sorry for being rude about it, but your reply is so stupid it is painful. You're an idiot. Ohhh, I don't know, maybe the same as I had done for the last 20 odd years without problems?!! Maybe make the sign bigger warning you get chucked out if you stand up etc, and then act on that warning when people do break it. I have seen some very stupid stuff happen on that ride (over all of that time period, not just recently). All that ever happens is the 'please remain seated' announcement thing. Actually chuck them out, they'd soon learn and the word would spread. People, if in a theme park or elsewhere, need to be given personal responsibility to look after themselves. If someone wants to clime a fence and throw themselves in front of a coaster / car / train / boat then they eventually will, no matter how high you make that fence. Doesn't mean you don't build the coaster / road / track / water ride.

Or maybe because of some under 18's causing some problems in the dome under 18's are now banned from the dome with out an adult, making it quite difficult to run an under 18's only night in the dome.

Well, I love Alive. Appreciating that everything like this can be a bit hit and miss each time due to your own and actor placement, it provides an experience like no other on the park on your average day and I know most of my non geek friends think the same and really look forward to it. I think this is a real shame but, to be honest, if it can not be open all year it kind of makes sense to leave it until FrightNights.

Sorry, but that is out and out wrong. Of course there can be discrimination when it comes to health and safety: -There is no physical reason why any of the banned people can not ride -Disability discrimination IS overridden by H+S - it would be dangerous to ride if you were unable to brace yourself and this can not be be made safe with any reasobable adjustments by the park. So it is fine. This is in no way the case here. -'If the ride host, operator, management team or ride manufacturer do not feel fully confident that riders will be safe, they are not allowed on.' Fair enough. But as there is no physical difference between those being allowed and not allowed on, which is it? Is the ride safe or is it not safe? Open it, or close it depending. Here's a fact for you, African Americans, on average, are much less able to swim than the rest of society and are 3 times as likely to die by drowning than the average. Under the same thinking it would be much safer all round if Neptunes beach was white only, would it? Just in case, you know, manage some risk. Of course that is absolutely not acceptable, you have to trust people not to get themselves in a situation where they drown. I have no doubt Thorpe think they are doing the right thing, but they are wrong.

If there is a physical reason (like height or bbfc style age restriction) then of course it is fine and in the interests of health and safety to restrict who rides. The problem in this case is there is no such limitation to safe riding, they are actively encouraging young kids to ride! The restriction is in place as a 'people like you' sweeping generalisation, which is not on. That is where discrimination starts.

I'd say yes you can, under exactly the same principles. Like I said before, what if the pattern of those doing wrong were all of one ethnic, religious or sexual group? it would be outright illegal to ban that group as a whole from access to any goods or services. The equality act puts age in exactly the same bracket as ethnicity etc as something that can not be discriminated against. It is new and has not yet been fully implemented to cover the provision of goods and services (it already has for employment) but is due to be very soon. What Thorpe are doing is wrong, the law is changing to reflect this and in the mean time Thorpe would do well to act within the spirit of the equality act. Very soon whatever T+C's you might be referring to will not cover themselves against this discrimination in any way, law trumps T+Cs!

I can tell you a few other assumptions based on fact in wider society. Does not mean groups of people are denied access to driving licences / benefits / alcohol / knife ownership etc though, does it? Because that would be massively unfair and wrong, like this is.

As I now don't fit in the banned demographic and would be allowed to ride I'm tempted to go on and do something bloody stupid myself, just to prove them wrong with their daft age based assumption and ridiculous rule. I won't actually do this, nor would I encourage it. Don't have kittens.

One person with a fast track ticket negatively effects my day, I have to wait one extra person to get my go! Extremes like this should not be happening, to stop it being such a problem farcetrack tickets need times on them at the very minimum.

Yes, but there will only ever be two cars at speed at any one time as there are no break runs within either half, only between them. So with god timing one car will release from the top of the lift the moment the one in front clears the first break run, but there is no way it can go before that moment. The tighter they can get this timing the better the throughput will be.

Banned for deleting my posts.

Excellent. More importantly, are the rapids still closed to me and nearly everyone?

Never a truer word spoken. If the country is going all dry and shrivelled can they keep filling this thing up? Seriously, it pisses so much water over the floor I reckon Surrey wouldn't have to bother with the hose pipe ban if they just shut it down.