JoshC.

Another construction update from the park...

Being world roller coaster day tomorrow, I wonder if that's when Thorpe are planning to pull the trigger on their first proper piece of marketing on the ride.

For some reference, Big Top (in 2016 and 17) started going up around this time of year. I think Survival Games started going up mid-to-August. Mazes in permanent locations start being built earlier too. I would imagine the reason for the comparatively early start on the FN build is down to the number of man hours available. The park will have a small Production Team, and work with UVE (presumably - they've done Trailers, SG and been involved with FN for a couple of years now), to build the mazes and zones. A maze in a tent will need to have all the walls built and then scenic design applied once the walls are in place. They can't really do that work prior to building the maze. As such, they'd need to start early to get that all set up. If they're stretched for manhours, they'll need to start early, hence why getting Death's Doors up early likely happened.

Chessington are now selling ERT slots, for £20pp: https://www.chessington.com/explore/extras/#selected-rides-and-attractions-included It's the same ERT that hotel guests get (which is still included for free): - Mandrill Mayhem - Ostrich Stampede - Mamba Strike - The Gruffalo River Ride Adventure - Elmer’s Flying Jumbos - Room on the Broom – A Magical Journey - Treetop Hoppers - Jungle Rangers - River Rafts - Tiny Truckers. You still need a standard day entrance ticket / Annual Pass on top of this.

From the Cred Sheet, here's all my ranked UK coasters not including Merlin parks, including their overall ranking in my list: Rank Coaster Park 46 Grand National Blackpool Pleasure Beach 53 Cobra (Paultons) Paultons Park 68 Storm Chaser Paultons Park 93 Icon Blackpool Pleasure Beach 95 Velocity Flamingo Land 96 Kumali Flamingo Land 97 Wilde Maus XXL Winter Wonderland 106 Accelerator Drayton Manor 113 Avalanche Blackpool Pleasure Beach 115 Revolution (BPB) Blackpool Pleasure Beach 117 Spinning Racer Fantasy Island 118 G Force Drayton Manor 119 Velociraptor Paultons Park 126 Mumbo Jumbo Flamingo Land 136 Flight of the Pterosaur Paultons Park 147 Millenium Fantasy Island 158 Rage Adventure Island 162 Big Dipper Blackpool Pleasure Beach 163 Ice Mountain Winter Wonderland 166 Odyessy Fantasy Island 167 Big One Blackpool Pleasure Beach 169 Rhombus Rocket Fantasy Island 176 Rockin Roller Botton's Pleasure Beach 181 Infusion Blackpool Pleasure Beach 182 Olympia Looping Winter Wonderland 183 Dinosaur Valley Wicksteed Park 186 €uro Coaster Winter Wonderland 193 Shockwave Drayton Manor 199 Hero Flamingo Land Also includes travelling coasters I've ridden in the UK, but oh well. tl;dr - my answer is Grand National at Blackpool.

I think for all the (fair) things said about the UK coaster industry, we never truly appreciate just how spoilt we are with B&M inverts. Sure, we only have 2, but one is an absolute creme de la creme of coasters, and the other is - as you say, Mark - perhaps the best of its scale in comparison to similar rides.

From having experienced the previous tent mazes, can confirm light bleed is not an issue (because mazes are designed with this in mind). Also, I assume people are aware that many of the mazes at Tulleys are in tents, and these do not suffer from the issues that people are raising.

Tent seems to take up a similar size to Big Top. The park did have white tents for Se7en and Curse (admittedly this is going back 15 years ago), so there's form there. Ultimately I find it makes very little difference to the experience. Whilst a solid exterior adds to the experience, I don't think a bad exterior takes away from the experience, so long as it's designed right. The wooden/laminate flooring is interesting, and not what I expected. Can't think of many temporary build mazes which use that as their base.

Thorpe have had a few: Se7en, The Curse and both versions of The Big Top (the first incarnation was in 3 tents). You could even say Survival Games is in a tent-like structure too. Really, if it's done well, it's not different to any other maze frankly. Some issues may come around where if you look up and realise you're in a tent, it can break immersion (but many mazes suffer with this issue, not just ones in tents). If the maze is designed well, it won't matter whether it's in a tent, shipping containers or a permanent building.

Whatever it is, it's gonna be intents

The Big Top will not be returning.

And another image from the park, which could possibly indicate a maze in a tent / marque this year!

I very much reckon we're gonna see the new maze next to Zodiac. Also should mean goodbye to the awful Terminal.

Mr Monkey's wouldn't be the easiest ride to relocate, since pirate ships tend to have a hole for the ride mechanism. It would also be a largely pointless endeavour, as what would go in its space? The ride had been closed as they were awaiting parts from the manufacturer, which were order before the end of last season, and only arrived in late June I believe. Rocky Express isn't coming back. Chief Ranger's Carousel isn't in storage. Even if it was, having been in storage for 9 years, it would be better to buy a new one than try and start up an old one. Quick and simple Amity retheme for the area is best in my books. Dodgems goes to a garage / pit stop theme. Detonator is Detonator. Leave it as it is. Teacups can be rethemed at some point once the Dobble partnership ends. Only issue is the 4D cinema, which does still pull in a crowd and the numbers, surprisingly. But a custom 4D film, or just some random IP chucked in there, does the job in my books. One thing I've noticed with the park is that their events, and even the Thrillmakers show, is targeted more towards a younger market. Carnival especially, but also Mardi Gras, definitely has a leaning towards to children with the shows, and a more family feel. Whether this is the park's way of answering the need for more family stuff, or if it's in preparation of a larger family market push, is unclear. Leave the Rangers in past in my opinion. They haven't been relevant for almost 20 years, and I don't think they have a place in the modern day. Ahhh, so we're going for Prime then? World's first area themed to a drink?

I would love this too. Even a Platform 15 room would be good. I have spoken with people at the park about this, and suggested explicitly a CFM room, especially since it would then lend itself to having a chainsaw ending for the maze (one of the Creek Freak characters spilling out at the end). Apparently it's been looked at, but with the way Trailers was built, a H&S sign off on a chainsaw is apparently trickier than previous incarnations of that maze space.. A shame if they can't manage it.

looks like the park have confirmed where the locations for this year's attractions will be.

I wouldn't use that picture as a means of confirming what is and is not returning. They have used that image all season, and it is just a visual made by Jack Silkstone (for the park of course) using existing images. I expect the new maze will use shipping containers. They have used them for Survival Games, and they looked into using them for Trailers. They have lots of positives and can be placed in several places across the park, giving more flexibility for the park.

It's coming back yknow 😉

The park have confirmed some details about Fright Nights maze tickets for this year's event: -There will be 3 paid-for mazes again this year. -You can either book an afternoon slot (3pm-6pm) or evening slot (6pm-9pm) for mazes -Afternoon slots for the Terrifying Frio package cost £24 (£19.20 with passholder discount) -Evening slots cost £30 (no passholder discount available) -An "unlimited" Passholder maze ticket is available, priced at £99 and valid for all of Fright Nights and all mazes The afternoon/evening slots definitely reflect the demand of the mazes. For one reason or another, people always do the mazes in the evening, even if they're indoors and don't suffer from light bleed. That always led to the mazes being significantly busier in the evening, and causing many issues. Hopefully this helps spreads the crowds. Also nice to see that the afternoon slots represent a decrease in price compared to last year's prices. The unlimited pass for Passholders is a nice idea too tbf.

Vertical construction will probably be starting September / October time. For a point of reference, Swarm's didn't start until late September, and only took about 30 days.

The exact quote in question: Really, it doesn't confirm anything. The park have said in the past they would consider removing it / have plans to remove it, etc. Obviously hasn't happened yet. And those plans could be a few years in the future. Really, until we actually see plans for something to replace it, or see it physically getting torn down, we should assume it is here for the long haul.

Not quick enough to close it now and put a new maze in there for October, would be the blunt answer. I certainly expect another indoor maze, but as you say, there's no way they'd create a new building, and there's no pre-existing building which can house a maze. My best bet would be shipping containers. You can see the appeal: everything can be done off site, and then you simply drop them into place and connect up the electrics. After all, that's what Experiment 10 / My Bloody Valentine was. And that could certainly fit in either the Saw pathway, the Lost City area or the Beach. The second option would be a teng. But I can't imagine Thorpe wanting to build, dismantle and rebuild a tent maze each year again. At the same time, it could happen, and that could be why they've started Death's Doors so early. I'd like to see (in the future) the park revisit outdoor mazes again. Possibly just the one, as a free experience. I guess a sorta evolution of what the Crows experience has been - a walk through which gives you a taste of what the mazes are like, whilst not being at the same level. Whets the whistles for some, helps introduce people to the concept if they're unsure too.

I mean nothing is confirmed; just a rumour from a Youtuber. Even if it is a more reputable one, there's nothing set in stone. What's more, I wouldn't call it an overhaul if anything does happen. Improvements, sure. Overhaul, no. Until it happens, I don't think we should count on it happening.

Well Death's Doors is back up... it's a interesting scenario, building a scare zone so soon. Especially one which can be built so quickly. I guess, in part, it helps advertise the event. I'd also hazard a guess that they don't have the manpower to build multiple attractions in September, plus doing whatever they need to on existing attractions and running the other events. Thus creating a need for building stuff now. We'll be getting a new maze (presumably just the one). It was strongly suggested that it was the last year of Amity vs LycanThorpe. The space the Crows took up is a lot more open so needs more work too. Plus if they choose to bring back Terminal, that needs improvements. So there's a lot to do. I've also heard that the park now has an Events/Entertainments Project Manager, as well as more staff focused primarily on the operational and design features of Events, particularly Fright Nights. Hopefully this will allow a much more streamlined process all round.

Where has this information come from?