Marc Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 IF you could interview B&M, what questions would you love to know the answers too and ask them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Best ride you have been involved with and why?Did you think your Wing-Rider concept would be as well-received as it has been?Will you ever delve into incorporating launch technology in the future?Slightly late to be posting a topic which will be popular eh Marc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Whats the most difficult ride installation you've had to date?What other companies do you work most with to create your rides (like consign does their PLC programming, for instance).What non-B&M rides are you most inspired by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 What were the reasons B&M decided to pursue their own Wing-Rider concept?Are there any ride concepts from other manufacturers that B&M wished they had 'thought of' first?(As a side note, if this is general B&M stuff we're asking, why's it in the Thorpe Park subforum? I know Swarm is a B&M, but why stick a B&M topic in a Swarm area? :S) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 General stuff is fine, but the more to do with The Swarm the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javs Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I would like to ask them 'what in their view is the best B&M rollercoaster to date?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidders Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Who were the real masterminds behind the 'THORPE PARK Inversion'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackR Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 1. Would you ever consider adapting your Wing-rider concept so it has 'spinning seats'?2. Would you ever consider designing and building your own launch mechanism?3. What non' B&M design are you inspired by? (Fred and Josh's question I know, but a very good one indeed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamY Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 What has prompted the change in recent coasters away from the old 'safe' styles, to the more original and exciting styles such as the PA Invert, Starry Night Ripper ect.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluk Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 1 - What new concepts have you got in development? I won't tell the competition, honest.2 - As Jack said, will you / when will you design your own launch or 4d system.3 - Can you build me an invert in my back garden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I'm asking B&M to ensure they build a coaster in this country every 3-4 years. Never again must they let Intamin build their drossy crap in our country when we can have fantastic coasters like Swarm built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpeparkjack Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 You haven't even been on The Swarm, it might be crap like Nemesis Inferno! :PI would ask them: What is the project are you proudest of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 You haven't even been on The Swarm, it might be crap like Nemesis Inferno! IMO of course, Inferno is currently Thorpe's best rollercoaster. Saw easily takes the acclaim for crap coaster at the park. SkySkream and Dan9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thorpeparkjack Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I'm just not happy with all this 'The Swarm is a great coaster' because it hasn't even been built yet. And in no way shape or form is Inferno the best coaster on Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 To quote my own blog Jack"Everywhere we go in the world there is always someone waiting in the wings to belittle our opinion.""The problem with opinions is that everyone has one, everyone has their own fresh perspective on things and a lot of that comes down to their past experiences, what they find personally interesting. How many times have you been recommended a film, only to watch it and not sure whether it was worth all the hype?""My Opinion is my own. I go to somewhere new or I watch something I’ve never seen before with a fresh perspective. When I pull down that restraint on that brand new rollercoaster or I settle down to watch that brand new movie, I want to enjoy it. The end result is irrelevant, at the very beginning the idea is pleasure, to be enthralled in 120 minutes of stunning cinematography or 90 seconds of beautiful, technical rollercoaster action. At no point do I do something new with the intention of dis-pleasure. Because what would be the point in not enjoying your life deliberately."I think Inferno is the best rollercoaster in the park. You don't think that, doesn't make my view invalid does it? Many agree with me, many disagree with me. Isn't that the beauty of being an individual and not a sheep.As for Swarm, I share the sentiment. Thorpe's coasters don't exactly set the world alight in what they do these days so Swarm is a bit of a breathe of fresh air. It has a bit of length, a different ride style and a very unique start to the ride. Dan9 and Sidders 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpeparkjack Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I never said your opinion was wrong about Inferno, you are absolutely entitled to your own opinion as your blog has stated beautifully. However I still fail to understand how you can have an opinion on a ride that you have yet to experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamY Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Past experience does a lot to shape our perceptions of things in advance. If you walked up to a greasy spoon, you would know what kind of food to expect even though you hadn't tasted it yet, wouldn't you? Well to me, that past experience coupled with what we have seen so far tell me that Swarm will be an excellent ride. It will without doubt take the top spot as best ride on park, which I must agree with Mark is a title currently held by Inferno. As I said a few weeks back, people are constantly campaigning for solid, quality, reliable rides without a gimmick, and we already have one. Seems like people are just never satisfied eh And I know this is going off topic but once people get on the offensive in Inferno's direction I just have to stop them; if Inferno had been named differently it wouldn't receive half the stick it does. All this crap about 'Nemesis Inferior' is such a load of ****, if it had been named without a connection it would have just been another B&M Invert, judged on it's own merits. Of which it happens to have many. [/rant]So yes, a B&M 1-2 pairing for best in the park in the shape of Swarm and Inferno. Delightful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidders Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Just to add my opinion: Inferno's charm is not in what it tries to be on a more superficial level (what Thorpe and Merlin try to market it is), such as the link to the original Nemesis, but instead it's real beauty is in the more technical aspect of the ride and the ride experience. It's easily Thorpe's most reliable roller-coaster, not needing weeks/months of down-time a year; it's got Thorpe's best ride music; has Thorpe's best hourly throughput, is easily Thorpe's smoothest ride and, if you play it well, offers the most intense ride on park. It's simply a classy little B&M Inverted roller-coaster with no big, boastful record-holding claim to fame. It's a coaster that offers a smooth, enjoyable, well-paced ride with plenty of foot-choppers and closer contact with the scenery, without having to rely on gimmickry that's fast-expiring now that other parks are installing rides that belittle Thorpe's records. Next year, all that'll be left of Thorpe's coaster record will be an uncomfortable Intamin multi-looper, an average accelerator, and an Oblivion wannabe that got too excited for Halloween.Unlike Colossus, Stealth, Saw and even X:\No Way Out, it doesn't claim to be anything it's not, because there's no real marketing angle other than the link to Nemesis; sure it's a slightly generic coaster layout-wise, but you can't say Tussauds didn't at least try to theme it well - and it's a far more enjoyable and engrossing theme than Saw's sporadic, IP-assisted themeing. Colossus may have the most 'loops', Stealth may be the tallest and fastest or fastest accelerating or whatever; Saw may be the 'scariest', but Inferno claims to be none of those and exists as a modest little coaster simply doing the rounds for the general public with far more taste and concern for their neck and back muscles than all of Thorpe's other coasters put together.And as for Mark being able to cast a view of The Swarm without it having been built yet - well, he's on a far better ground to judge than any of us in this conversation because, you see, he's ridden Raptor.But yeah I'd also like to ask B&M if they still have the two other proposed plans for Thorpe's 2012 coaster. And is it possible that the coaster that appears on Island A on the MTDP was one of these original plans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Plus for Mark (and myself and Neilfever) we've been on Raptor, so we know how Swarm should be riding in a way.And since Raptor was bloody good, Swarm should be just as if not better. Raptor essentially got me more for this project than just the construction alone.And who would say no to more B&Ms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpeparkjack Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Just to add my opinion: Inferno's charm is not in what it tries to be on a more superficial level (what Thorpe and Merlin try to market it is), such as the link to the original Nemesis, but instead it's real beauty is in the more technical aspect of the ride and the ride experience. It's easily Thorpe's most reliable roller-coaster, not needing weeks/months of down-time a year; it's got Thorpe's best ride music; has Thorpe's best hourly throughput, is easily Thorpe's smoothest ride and, if you play it well, offers the most intense ride on park. It's simply a classy little B&M Inverted roller-coaster with no big, boastful record-holding claim to fame. It's a coaster that offers a smooth, enjoyable, well-paced ride with plenty of foot-choppers and closer contact with the scenery, without having to rely on gimmickry that's fast-expiring now that other parks are installing rides that belittle Thorpe's records. Next year, all that'll be left of Thorpe's coaster record will be an uncomfortable Intamin multi-looper, an average accelerator, and an Oblivion wannabe that got too excited for Halloween.Unlike Colossus, Stealth, Saw and even X:\No Way Out, it doesn't claim to be anything it's not, because there's no real marketing angle other than the link to Nemesis; sure it's a slightly generic coaster layout-wise, but you can't say Tussauds didn't at least try to theme it well - and it's a far more enjoyable and engrossing theme than Saw's sporadic, IP-assisted themeing. Colossus may have the most 'loops', Stealth may be the tallest and fastest or fastest accelerating or whatever; Saw may be the 'scariest', but Inferno claims to be none of those and exists as a modest little coaster simply doing the rounds for the general public with far more taste and concern for their neck and back muscles than all of Thorpe's other coasters put together.And as for Mark being able to cast a view of The Swarm without it having been built yet - well, he's on a far better ground to judge than any of us in this conversation because, you see, he's ridden Raptor.But yeah I'd also like to ask B&M if they still have the two other proposed plans for Thorpe's 2012 coaster. And is it possible that the coaster that appears on Island A on the MTDP was one of these original plans?I'm sorry but I completley disagree with large elements of this post. Most reliable coaster - agree, no question. Best ride music - debatable, I prefer ColossusBest Throughput - no question, agree. Smoothest - agree againMost intense on park - get real that is just simply not true. Unlike Colossus, Stealth, Saw and even X:\No Way Out, it doesn't claim to be anything it's not - Colossus is marketed as a 10 looping coaster, it has 10 inversions. Stealth is fast and tall and was marketed as such. Saw was overhyped but still delivers far more than Inferno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidders Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Well that's hardly large elements... But you're missing the point: Inferno has no gimmick and therefore in my opinion is a much nicer ride than any of Thorpe's others.I find Inferno intense, so don't tell me to "get real" if it's a personal experience you're not accustomed with. Drawin and Flipper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamY Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Most intense on park - get real that is just simply not true.Um, yes it is. Have you actually been through that final helix? Or the zero-g when it's been raining? Yeah, I'd call them pretty intense.Saw was overhyped but still delivers far more than Inferno.Seriously? I actually cannot see how you could say that in seriousness. Saw fails to deliver anything at all, let alone more than Inferno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidders Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Um, yes it is. Have you actually been through that final helix? Or the zero-g when it's been raining? Yeah, I'd call them pretty intense.Or the hair-pin dive into the second corkscrew. Or the bottom of the loop. Simply lovely elements. It's even better in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I blackout more on Inferno than many other rides in the country, including Nemesis.Says a lot about it don't it?And isn't Saw meant to be bashing people's necks in nowadays? You say you disagree with most of the post but then only disagree with two points you lift out. Not sure if you're trying to support his post or disagree with it. Drawin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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