JoshC. Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 For the record, Air was advertised as the world's first next generation flying coaster. This is indeed a true statement as well.The first flying coaster was Skytrak: http://rcdb.com/2380.htm, opening in 1997 and closing in 1998. There was also another random flying coaster in the UAE and a Vekoma Flying Dutchman that opened before Air, but Air is still easily considered to be the first next generation flying coaster. CharlieN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Wasn't there also a short lived flying coaster thing that was at the now closed Granada Studios in the UK? Strongly recall RCDB having one listed a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC! Posted April 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Wasn't there also a short lived flying coaster thing that was at the now closed Granada Studios in the UK? Strongly recall RCDB having one listed a while back. If you read and clicked the link on josh's post youd be able to see that he did link that coaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 That's the one. Was very short lived though, didn't even operate for a year. Can't believe I missed it. Scuse me while I facepalm myself. CharlieN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieN Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 It didn't look like much of a coaster... Currently, I'm so much more hyped for this than DBGT. It's probably just due to the fact that I'm a coaster man. I don't think the problem with wood coasters is that the GP think they're unsafe, it's more that people think they are boring. I know many friends who think that there is no need to create coasters out of wood when steel is clearly a more versatile material. This common interpretation that wood coasters can't be thrilling, needs to be changed, and I believe Towers is the park that can do it. RMC for SW8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Many people, when they think of wooden coasters, will think of Blackpool's selection - all of which are 'old'. Alternatively, they'll think of other old wooden coasters, like Cyclone, which are well documented about. I'm the grand scheme of things, few people in the UK audience have ridden recently built wooden coasters. Hence why there is this preconception they are old fashioned and, potentially, dangerous to a degree. All it takes is for them to experience a new one to realise it is not the case. But to build one is a huge risk, because of people's misconceptions. Hence why an RMC would be a good choice. Whether that's what we get is a different matter though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holtjammy16 Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Speaking as someone who's never been on a wooden coaster What's the plus points of building it with wood over having a steel coaster with the same if not better layout? CharlieN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 It didn't look like much of a coaster... Currently, I'm so much more hyped for this than DBGT. It's probably just due to the fact that I'm a coaster man. I don't think the problem with wood coasters is that the GP think they're unsafe, it's more that people think they are boring. I know many friends who think that there is no need to create coasters out of wood when steel is clearly a more versatile material. This common interpretation that wood coasters can't be thrilling, needs to be changed, and I believe Towers is the park that can do it. RMC for SW8! This viewpoint only seems to exist in the UK. I think when people think woodie, they think Blackpool. CharlieN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieN Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Speaking as someone who's never been on a wooden coaster What's the plus points of building it with wood over having a steel coaster with the same if not better layout? I, too, have never been on a woodie (I'd love to. I've got plans to visit Margate, Lightwater Valley, Oakwood and numerous international theme parks known for their woodies). Saying that, I do understand your point and that question has been asked numerous times by friends. I, however don't really have a good answer to the question... This 'Blackpool' interpretation needs to be challenged and I believe that will only happen when a big park (Towers) gets a smooth woodie from a comany such as Intamin, GCI or RMC. All these companies are capable of producing rides with fun layouts that can make people trust wood again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Guys, is SW8 going to be a part of Mutiny Bay or another area? Sent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Wooden coasters provide a completely different feel and experience to steel coasters as a start... Unless you're an Intamin prefab, then they are never glass smooth, but the rattle produced in conjunction with everything else creates a real feeling of out of controlness to the proceedings... Unfortunately, most UK people have only ever experienced Blackpool, Gwazi or Stampida... None of these are particularly the sorta rides you want as ambassadors to the type (especially since Gwazi got torn down)... This as a result means that no UK park thinks it worthwhile due to the preconceptions... Oakwood built one, 20 years ago now, but they're only ever in the general public consciousness due to a girl dying on Hydro... Also there's more that wooden coasters can do now,stall turns, overbanks and inversions can be part of the package... And it provides a different aesthetic to steel coasters completely... I'd love Towers to just let GCI loose on that area... Especially if they intertwined a Chiapas flume in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Guys, is SW8 going to be a part of Mutiny Bay or another area? Sent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk We know basically nothing about SW8; ride type, theme, size, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 There's nothing wrong with this supposed "Blackpool" interpretation, five fantastic wooden coasters which despite being old are still popular with the public and enthusiasts alike! Regarding SW8, a wooden coaster would be great, but I don't think it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 But they are old, rickety and products of a byegone era... Can't deny that at all, especially given Nash in recent times being bloody dreadful... But they're deemed old-fashioned for a reason by the public... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 But they are old, rickety and products of a byegone era... Can't deny that at all, especially given Nash in recent times being bloody dreadful... But they're deemed old-fashioned for a reason by the public... That's what makes them so good!Nash is still brilliant although it could do with its old trains (and dispatch times!) back. The public don't have any issue with the wooden coasters, the queues often out-do the steel coasters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Is that because of nostalgia though? Like, this isn't bashing Blackpool, it's just facts that they are old fashioned and seen as rickety/unsafe/etc. Some realise this, but since enthusiasts are asking the question on here about what makes them so good, shows what work needs to be done in the UK in order to get them into the public eye as a viable modern addition... CharlieN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Is that because of nostalgia though? Like, this isn't bashing Blackpool, it's just facts that they are old fashioned and seen as rickety/unsafe/etc. Some realise this, but since enthusiasts are asking the question on here about what makes them so good, shows what work needs to be done in the UK in order to get them into the public eye as a viable modern addition... No, I enjoy them for the raucous & bumpy nature as well as the nostalgia aspect, they are still some of the best coasters the UK has to offer IMO.Regarding the "rickety" perception, they aren't glass smooth, but then in my view wooden coasters aren't supposed to be, I've only been on one 'modern' woodie (Megafobia) but it's still raucous and bumpy in its nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Germany has Wodan & Colosssus Sweden has Balder & that Gravity group coaster at Grona Holland has Joris, Troy and Robinhood Belgium has Loup Grou & Heide (very soon) France has Tonnere De Zeus Ireland has Cu Cumain (sp) Only Spain & Italy don't really have a role model woodie (at least until Stampida is done and Kumback is kicked out). The U.K. Only really has Blackpool, a couple of smaller woodies and Oakwood (which is not well known for non enthusiasts outside Wales). The U.K. Does need a modern Woodie as it's one of the few coaster ride types we now lack and I think such a coaster would suit Towers's rural landscape perfectly. Joris may be the only new woodie I've done (bar Megafobia), but it's a fantastic one at that and certainly better than Blackpool's (bar the nostalgia). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieN Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Joris looks great and is exactly what I think would complement Tower's beautiful landscape. GCI combines traditional airtime focused rides with those more focusing on speed and twisty elements. It's a perfect combination that I'm sure would be a popular investment if Towers ever got a GCI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Coaster Jamie, when I say the public think of Woodies, Blackpool springs to mind, in no way I am saying that as a bad thing. What I am saying is that there last woodie was built in the 50's, they are old rides and that is what has stuck in the GP's mind because Megafobia aside, they are the only parks to feature wooden coasters in their line up. Coaster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Dimensions Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Could be this One of my flatmates thought that Rollercoaster/Nickelodeon Streak at BPB was a steel coaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-S Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Most newbs I know, their only impression of a woodie comes from the smokey and the bandit film, and the general answer I usually get is 'I ain't going on that, they collapse too easily'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlesberg Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Could be this Looks like there's lots of wasted steel there, do they need all that extra steel in the middle of the track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Looks like there's lots of wasted steel there, do they need all that extra steel in the middle of the track? The theory is that by having more steel for track, they'd need less supports and ultimately less steel overall. Mysterio Ka 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project LC Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 My god that is an ugly piece of track. From an engineering point of view you would not save much steel in the support structure having it as a solid piece rather than 2 pieces. However it is easier to construct both in the factory and on site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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