CharlieN Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Wow. That's one serious investment. Sweden's coaster lineup is about to get even better - as is its flat ride lineup! Judging by the standard of the parks recent additions - this could be incredible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 I'm really liking the look of the new afterburner. If the styling of Mechanica and Aerospin is anything to go, it will be excellently themed for a flat. not sure about the dive coaster as that ride type feels a little overdone lately with things like Baron and Valravan, but could still be something special. I'm guessing this is going on the newly purchased land beside the Fairy Tale ride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThemeParkCrafter Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Disappointed with another dive coaster. An invert would have been a far better investment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, ThemeParkCrafter said: Disappointed with another dive coaster. An invert would have been a far better investment +1, purely for selfish reasons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC! Posted September 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, ThemeParkCrafter said: Disappointed with another dive coaster. An invert would have been a far better investment Another?! There are only 4 others in Europe. Inverts are more common in comparison. And anyway this thing is obviously meant to be more of a filler seeming that I don't think they'd want it to overshadow Helix anyway. But I'm excited, these things are big crowd pleaser and big crowd pullers, plus its the first of its kind in Scandinavia so, I think its a wise move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThemeParkCrafter Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 I just think if the dive coaster is going to have lots of theming and go into the landscape (rocks like helix) it will be a good ride and most importantly unique. However, I don't want another valravn situation when the ride has nothing major (like other big dives) and has USP which doesn't improve the ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Inverts VS Dive coasters in Europe Dive Coasters: Oblivion Krake Oblivion The Black Hole Baron 1898 The one opening at Liseberg Inverts: Nemesis Katun Batman La Fuga Nemesis Inferno Black Mamba Monster Oziris So there are seven inverts verses four (soon to be five) dive machines. Could be a lot worse in all honesty. On the positive this ride does something different to the other coasters, considering Balder is wood, Lisebergbanen is Helixes and Helix has everything except a vertical drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieN Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 I think a dive coaster really suits this park. It'll be the only coaster with a big drop and it's height will look impressive. Plus they reallllly get the crowds in. They are so marketable and if this is the smaller variant (which I think it is), it will probably have a really unique layout. To me, this coaster suits the park to a tee. 400400 and Cian 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cian Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Agreed Charlie. Imo the instalment of a dive coaster would be the perfect fit for Lisberg. It would help broaden both their audience and the parks variety. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Dive coaster makes sense for Lisberg, it's not exactly a park with massive room for an invert; not that a smaller invert couldn't be made of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Merlin, take note. Liseberg have even less competition and are still investing in new coasters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieN Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Well, apparently the closing and removal of Kanonen has also been leaked... buy it Merlin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, CharlieN said: Well, apparently the closing and removal of Kanonen has also been leaked... buy it Merlin! To Chessington! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 34 minutes ago, ChessingtonSam said: Merlin, take note. Liseberg have even less competition and are still investing in new coasters. Saw, Th13teen, Swarm, Smiler, SW8, Krake, Flug, Raptor, Oblivion... Ghost Train represents a significant investment also. Bit of a non point. The rumours of an invert sounded very exciting, so this feels a tad underwhelming given that is what I was expecting. Only a tad though asLiseberg has a solid natural location to incorporate a dive machine. pognoi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Why should Merlin buy a second hand crap Intamin rocket? Better off buying something new and actually good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Yes, I a,ways thought Merlin didn't invest much in new rides when they built The Smiler, Derren Brown and Atlantis. kanonen on the other hand isn't a big loss for the park and would probably benefit a smaller park like Oakwood or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 7 hours ago, BaronC. said: Saw, Th13teen, Swarm, Smiler, Octonauts Fixed. I meant in the UK. Five rides, only three of which are big coasters, in what 6 years? Funny how people complain about no coasters... until I do. CharlieN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 17 minutes ago, ChessingtonSam said: Fixed. I meant in the UK. Five rides, only three of which are big coasters, in what 6 years? Funny how people complain about no coasters... until I do. I think you actually mean at that crappy park called Chessington... 3 at Towers, 2 at Thorpe (along with 1 major dark ride investment) is more than acceptable for investment. Matt 236 and Jormerod18 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Ryan said: I think you actually mean at that crappy park called Chessington... 3 at Towers, 2 at Thorpe (along with 1 major dark ride investment) is more than acceptable for investment. Nope, I've heard plenty of people say they dont invest in many coasters because theres no competition, unless I'm getting confused with "good enough" coasters, which I am 210% sure I am not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I don't think anyone moans much about that tbh, the investments Merlin struggle with are those minor ones in between the years... Enough coasters are invested in the parks that can actually build them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattgwise Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 English video here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 4 hours ago, ChessingtonSam said: Fixed. I meant in the UK. Five rides, only three of which are big coasters, in what 6 years? Funny how people complain about no coasters... until I do. I still see your point as a non-point. Before Helix, Liseberg's last major coaster investment was Kanonen in 2005. So between 2005 and 2018, they'll have added 3 major coasters. In that same period, Thorpe will have added 3 major coasters (and a large scale dark ride), and Towers wI'll have added 4 major coasters (Th13teen is a major family coaster). So they're all on equal terms really. Only Chessington is behind. Also keep in mind Liseberg gets millions more visitors than Merlin parks, and there is still competition for them. ---- On a different note, is Kanonen being removed this year or sometime next year? I've seen conflicting accounts and not sure what to believe, and too lazy to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Though in fairness, Helix (in terms of an investment, can't comment on the ride experience as I haven't been on it) is far superior to any Merlin roller coaster. I'd much rather wait a few more years and get something outstanding, rather than smaller/lower quality rides installed more regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 23 hours ago, ChessingtonSam said: Merlin, take note. Liseberg have even less competition and are still investing in new coasters. Thanks for taking a thread about a Swedish theme park and making it all about Merlin. This dive machine is a perfect fit for Lisberg although I find it rather amusing that Northern Europe now has three dive machines in a relatively small area, in fact you could include Oblivion in Northern Europe if you felt so obliged. 9 hours ago, Coaster Jamie said: Though in fairness, Helix (in terms of an investment, can't comment on the ride experience as I haven't been on it) is far superior to any Merlin roller coaster. I'd much rather wait a few more years and get something outstanding, rather than smaller/lower quality rides installed more regularly. I'm not sure I completely agree here. Helix is a great ride but (hiding from the pitch-forks and rotten veg), as a ride experience I think the Smiler is superior; although I will concede thats a minority opinion. In fact, I'd go and say that Thirteen and The Swarm are top quality rides as well with enjoyment levels just as high as Helix. 15 hours ago, ChessingtonSam said: Fixed. I meant in the UK. Five rides, only three of which are big coasters, in what 6 years? Funny how people complain about no coasters... until I do. You don't realise how spoilt that sounds do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFarmerDean Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I messaged Liseberg on Facebook... They open 22nd April for the 2017 season. I'm sort of hoping the new ride Loke would be open then but not getting my hopes up anyway even though I will be visiting like the weekend after season start.... I have to go back in 2018 for the dive coaster anyway, and going in 2017 means I get to ride kanonen before it's removed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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