daboywunda Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 I think overall this season has been a good one. It has probably performed in line with expectations given the low investment year and guest satisfaction seems to be up. Fright Nights was always going to be a sticky one for attendance this year because of the 2 half terms of London / Surrey being different weeks; so unlike previous years where every-one visits in the same 1 week, this year is spread over 2 weeks. I think that the package of Fright Nights could be better - wish there was more obvious "The island changes after dark" other than a few mazes that open and a flash-mob dance, such as ride music being normal in daylight and changing at night, actors in public areas, light colour changes, more decoration etc but it is what it is. They tried by adding smoke machines which work well when it isn't windy. I've visited pretty much every Saturday since the season started thanks to my annual pass and season fastrack pass. It does seem that ride availability has been generally excellent and presentation of the park is better than it has been in years (mist on Nemesis Inferno, smoke on Stealth, effects on Saw, skimmers and fire (albeit intermittent) on Swarm etc). Bouncezilla seemed to do what it needed to do - provided a filler for now and seemed popular with the GP - Not a crowd pleasing, attendance increasing attraction; but decent enough "for now". It seems that the flat rides are now suffering seasonal fatigue and are limping home... Something that should be considered given the lack of interest in flat rides over the parks in general. A few questions come of this though - Are we about to get a flurry of new coasters to replace these like Alton seem to be doing or will the park just be left to fall into ruin. The park almost need to admit to and own their "we want to be a British Six Flags" park rather than trying to masquerade as a theme park. If they do, they can throw a tonne of hardware at the park and own their new image. Consider an RMC hybrid or (high capacity) Raptor, Mack or Intamin launcher, a decent airtime machine that hugs the entrance etc. But that is just a fanboy wish list. Works for Cedar Point... Martin Doyle, pluk and 2542464 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar_ Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 The park seems absolutely rammed today, I'd imagine it's not been helped by the passholder charges being lifted. When I looked on the app a few minutes ago, 3 rides (Derren Brown, SAW and Swarm) were on an 120 minute queue. Colossus, Inferno, Vortex, Samurai and Quantum were also all down, and Rush had 90 minutes so I assume it is operating 1 arm still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboywunda Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 I{t must be close to or just above "theoretical" capacity today (The park operates 2 tiers because of the size and layout: Theoretical Capacity: The point that the park starts to become uncomfortable to be in) and Absolute Capacity: Max number of people allowed on park from an H&S point of view. I say close to because if Colossus and NI were open, the 120 min queues would most likely be 90ish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar_ Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Ivsetti said: I believe this is running arm until the end of the season I'd assume so; they won't bother trying to fix it for the sake of 4 days. There was a point earlier today which I saw on a tweet where all coasters (including TWD:TR) had 90+ minute queues. I've had a glance at the app a few times and saw Do or Die peak at 180 minutes, and even Tidal Wave had a 30 minute queue earlier too! I'd probably say it's above theoretical capacity. You have to remember there are 3 rides closed all day, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattgwise Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Can confirm the park was very busy today, but didn't help that Nemesis Inferno opened late and on one train until 3:30, although kudos for them getting it open. Colossus was also evacuated and closed until afternoon. Lets not forget that Vortex, Samurai and Quantum also down. Once Nemesis Inferno opened it had a completely full queueline in all extensions until I left around 7pm. They were running the ride flawlessly having a 30 seconds until the train leaves announcement and staff running around. Ride was run best I have seen in years! Lunar_ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMoo Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 I spotted that Quantum rose from the dead late last night and attracted a 20 minute queue. Lunar_ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattgwise Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 hours ago, MattyMoo said: I spotted that Quantum rose from the dead late last night and attracted a 20 minute queue. I left at 7 and walked past it and it was well and truly closed with nothing happening, a closed sign or any staff there. Then about 15 mins later as you say suddenly it was all fine and open. Guessing a staffing issue rather than the ride still being broken seeing as nothing happened on it all day. Had I known it would open I'd have stayed to get one ride this year on it. Ah well always next year. Samurai also had some engineers looking at it during the afternoon although they were not there long. JoelAllen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LK_ Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Quantum seems to still be open today, poor thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobF Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Its more than likely a lack of assessed operators and staff, given that realistically only 2018 ops could have been re-assessed in the time its actually been open the probably hasn't been enough open time to train new ops. Mattgwise, MattyMoo and 2542464 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitch Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 31 minutes ago, RobF said: Its more than likely a lack of assessed operators and staff, given that realistically only 2018 ops could have been re-assessed in the time its actually been open the probably hasn't been enough open time to train new ops. Yes I believe this is the case. It's operating around trained staffs schedules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenVig Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 Don’t know where to stick this, but know that some of you will be interested in this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMoo Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 21 hours ago, Mattgwise said: Samurai also had some engineers looking at it during the afternoon although they were not there long. Did they look it at and say "20 years old, not long left now" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattgwise Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 hours ago, MattyMoo said: Did they look it at and say "20 years old, not long left now" Well with it about to complete ita 23rd season who knows! In fairness Samurai has been far more reliable in the last few seasons than it was prior, where it would regularly die for long periods of time around twice a season! Zodiacs time should be up before Samurai, as should Rocky Express, Teacups, Flying Fish and Depth Charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 Depth Charge, Rocky Express and Teacups all seem very reliable and give families something to do, why do they need to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattgwise Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, Coaster said: Depth Charge, Rocky Express and Teacups all seem very reliable and give families something to do, why do they need to go? You're missing the point, they are older rides to samurai. Age shouldn't be a factor as to whether they go so was a sarcastic response as I don't believe samurai should go. I don't want them to go either. Zodiac has been pretty unreliable of late tbf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenVig Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, Mattgwise said: You're missing the point, they are older rides to samurai. Age shouldn't be a factor as to whether they go so was a sarcastic response as I don't believe samurai should go. I don't want them to go either. Zodiac has been pretty unreliable of late tbf! Let's not forget Quantum, which has more or less been SBNO this entire season. Mattgwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ivsetti said: It actually says something when even the police hate the park so much to the point they're telling staff there about intruders that "We don't care, let them go"... Legally, there's nothing the police can do. The guys in the video visited the park legitimately (they had valid tickets). At no point did they 'trespass' or 'intrude'. At no point did any member of staff ask the guys to leave. They didn't refuse to leave. They've bent the park's own rules, and that's all there is to it. The police cannot do anything, so all they can say is 'not our problem let them go'. pluk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMoo Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 11/1/2019 at 10:23 AM, Mattgwise said: Well with it about to complete ita 23rd season who knows! In fairness Samurai has been far more reliable in the last few seasons than it was prior, where it would regularly die for long periods of time around twice a season! Looks like she died again last night. 23rd season - I didn't know she had a life before Chessie? That's some knowledge I didn't have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboywunda Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 11/1/2019 at 6:54 PM, JoshC. said: Legally, there's nothing the police can do. The guys in the video visited the park legitimately (they had valid tickets). At no point did they 'trespass' or 'intrude'. At no point did any member of staff ask the guys to leave. They didn't refuse to leave. They've bent the park's own rules, and that's all there is to it. The police cannot do anything, so all they can say is 'not our problem let them go'. Interesting that you say this.. I've just run it past a criminal defence barrister I know who's exact response was "this is textbook trespass". To do with terms and conditions of entry being that you are only allowed on site as a paying guest during "permissible trading hours". Once the final ride has been closed down, guests are required to vacate the park and the Tresspass Injunction kicks in. So, technically this IS a criminal act, the police just couldn't be bothered, for whatever reason, to follow it through. Difference being that they cannot be charged and convicted retrospectively. So, they will now profit from the video having broken the law. EDIT: That said, Tresspass isn't criminal.. it is civil.. so the Police weren't required to act on it any-way. But then, that also explains why the area is typically quite rife with "petty lawlessness", but that's a different topic of conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluk Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 As you've identified yourself, no criminal offence has occurred. The police are not civil enforcement, nothing for them here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboywunda Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Yep. The crime would be committed by follow-up acts such as breaking into buildings, damage caused by their trespass (broken fences from climbing etc)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt A Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Doesn't the trespass injunction make it a crime though? https://www.thorpepark.com/trespass-injunction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMoo Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Spot on. The police took Ally Law to court (famous for doing overnight challenges etc) for "stealing an unknown hot beverage" as he drank a hot drink in one and they pinned theft on him to make an example of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboywunda Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 17 hours ago, EpicSmatty said: Doesn't the trespass injunction make it a crime though? https://www.thorpepark.com/trespass-injunction Technically not. It just allows the Park to pursue one if they want to - but unless they caused any actual damage pushing for a conviction is hard, costly and potentially pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ. Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 I wonder how true the police weren’t interested comment was. Could it have been they were dealing with something far more major and didn’t have the man power? The way the people in the video made it to be was the police had a boys will be boys attitude. If that is correct what would have happened if they got back on the park and died form climbing a coaster? I am sure as a result of hearing the police bit it will sadly encourage more to do this. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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