Popular Post Dodge2002 Posted November 22, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 The thing that always baffled me was how you can be 50ft+ up in the air on a log flume without a harness or any restraint. And yet you can't sit solo on X because theres an outside chance you might be a size 0 contortionist that may somehow wiggle out. slendercat, Ian-S, holtjammy16 and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraX Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Seems like classic Merlin knee jerk reaction to a H&S issue (see: the whole of Chessington). Remember Thorpe have CONFIRMED Loggers Leap will reopen in 2017, why on earth would they lie, as Log Flumes from the 1960's still operate safely in the U.S and most other parks around the entire world?? Merlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pognoi Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 where did they confirm it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Logger's Leap is currently our only planned ride closure for 2016. It is for essential maintenance that is unfortunate but necessary, apologies for any inconvenience caused! (Taken from the TP Facebook page). It doesn't confirm 2017 reopening but it does confirm that the ride will reopen, as I think the fact that they are carrying out essential maintenance secures the ride's future at the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 It doesn't confirm that the ride will re open. It just says it is currently the only ride that they can foresee will be closed next year. Tom, MattyMoo and pognoi 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 It doesn't confirm that the ride will re open. It just says it is currently the only ride that they can foresee will be closed next year. But why would they carry out essential maintenance on a ride and then not reopen it? Still, at least it means that Loggers will (hopefully) be the only permanent closure in 2016, which isn't as bad as I was expecting based on Alton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 The person who has replied to that question is not the person making the decision, or an engineer who knows the fine details. They will be a PR/social media person whose job it is to answer questions according to the official line, they are not going to say anything beyond "essential maintenance" because that is a vague enough phrase so as not to be taken out of context or misrepresented. You've got to think independently. "Essential maintenance" seems to always be thought of as refurbishment work is going on with the ride for the whole year. I guarantee for most of next year it will be sitting there with nothing happening to it. Being told they are not allowed to run the ride because of XYZ reason can also be excused as "essential maintenance". We don't openly know the fine details of why it is closed, but taking "essential maintenance" to assume it is being "fixed" and will then reopen is just naive, and I only make a bit of a fuss about it because I think it's misleading of Thorpe Park to say this. Coaster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celia Mae Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Still, at least it means that Loggers will (hopefully) be the only permanent closure in 2016, which isn't as bad as I was expecting based on Alton. Maybe (as everyone seemed so sure on the closures of Slammer and X at Thorpe) they had originally planned more closures at Thorpe but then decided to close more at Alton instead thinking the park had already had such damage done to it this year it could be used to save money next year before trying to save it the year after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I want loggers to open and though have loosely said it will reopen, I just have to look at Chessington in 2013. Runaway mine train's rock face will be reconstructed; it wasn't. Dragon Falls will be re-themed with brand new theming; it wasn't. Part of me thinks loggers has gone, gone because of Merlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeksy Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 May be a bit late to the game, but its completely gone from the website. Sadly, I think Logger's Leap has had its final leap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenVig Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 May be a bit late to the game, but its completely gone from the website. Sadly, I think Logger's Leap has had its final leap. Or it's been removed from the site because its closed for the entire 2016 season, to avoid confusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeksy Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Fair point. Fingers crossed. saffy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LK_ Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Wouldn't they normally put a notice next to it saying that it would be closed for the 2016 season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-S Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 In the back of the customer services office on the last weekend that's what they had, on the wall was photos of all the rides and pin notices over the ones which were closed, I can't remember what was on loggers but swear it was different to tidal wave (that had closed until 2016 on it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Going by the recent photo updates, it shows that, unless the work taking place on Loggers is more on the ride system/other things not visible, it has just been left to rot. I guess it must be too much to ask for them to do closed season work in the closed season, therefore having the ride ready for 2016? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Going by the recent photo updates, it shows that, unless the work taking place on Loggers is more on the ride system/other things not visible, it has just been left to rot. I guess it must be too much to ask for them to do closed season work in the closed season, therefore having the ride ready for 2016? This post just screams of "I haven't had a chance to have a pop at Thorpe in a while". The ride isn't opening in 2016; why would they spend the 2015/16 closed season working on it when there are other rides to work on, which are opening in 2016? EC!, slendercat, pognoi and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobF Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 I have to say regardless of what thorpe says.... I think we have seen the end of loggers ..... For Several reasons 1 loggers issues are countless, A) a closed water system not feasable due to the proximity to the lake but is desperatly needed due to the ongoing issues the lake water presents. Large areas of the ride need heavy maintainence/ refurbishment B ) Health and saftey part 1,Evacuation and estops on log flumes in could cause whiplash ect with boats hitting and slips and trips evacing from the trough. Health and saftey part 2, Merlin have had a bad year for h&s whilst log flumes are theme park traditions, and 99.9999% are sensible there is no restraints of any sort on loggers and its inevitable one day one persons stupid actions could further damage the industry with a high profile accident. Conclusion Overall I think merlin have given up on log flumes in there current form, with the flume closing and the other's futures uncertain. The overall cost of refurbishing loggers I think from a cost and return perspective. I can see merlin opting for a new ride system, due to the more enhanced saftey features of modern rides and manufacturer warantee. Or simply not replace it Only time will tell........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 This post just screams of "I haven't had a chance to have a pop at Thorpe in a while". The ride isn't opening in 2016; why would they spend the 2015/16 closed season working on it when there are other rides to work on, which are opening in 2016? My point is, why choose to keep the ride closed throughout 2016 for maintenance when it could be carried out throughout closed season? Not enough resources? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 My point is, why choose to keep the ride closed throughout 2016 for maintenance when it could be carried out throughout closed season? Not enough resources? Because maybe it simply couldn't be done throughout the closed season? We simply don't know enough (in fact, we know nothing) about the situation to say that whatever 'maintenance' they're doing to the ride could be done during closed season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 (at CoasterJamie) To be fair there are a million reasons, in fact I'd say the closed season and closed season maintenance is one of the most misunderstood things in the enthusiast world. In fact it would be pointless to do most the work until much closer to when it opens. pognoi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 How come other parks manage to do closed season work during closed season? Do parks such as Europa shut a ride for a season for "maintenance", only to leave it alone during actual closed season? The excuse of "we don't know enough to judge" doesn't cover it - obviously we don't know the details what goes on at Thorpe during the winter, but rides should not be closed for a whole season when there are three-and-a-half months where work could be done! Surely the best time to work on rides is when the park is closed? If the work genuinely took that long to carry out then fair enough, but the park has already been closed for well over a month and has anything actually happened to Loggers yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraX Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 It could be something similar to what happened with The Black Hole. Not only was it causing a lot of near misses, when it needed new evacuation platforms, it was too pricey to invest in it, which led to its removal. Either Loggers needs s big job done (in regards to H&S), or they're just delaying the removal news until marketing have come up with some 'Thorpe Loving Care' type blurb to side step the negativity. See Chessington swapping 'new ride in 2017' for 'new experiences in 2017'. It's the Merlin way. SteveJ and HermanTheGerman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 How come other parks manage to do closed season work during closed season? I think it was established ages back that it wasn't being closed for normal closed season maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Safe to say Pirate Falls could be the only operating Merlin uk flume ride next year. Falls being closed will definitely settle whether this is a park wide problem or a Merlin safety knee jerk scheme. I just hope we get new water rides in the future if we lose this, flume and even Falls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Safe to say Pirate Falls could be the only operating uk flume ride next year. Not quite! Timber Falls, Raging River, Wild Water, Canyon River and Rugrats' Lost River all operate in the UK, and there's probably a lot more than that. It could be something similar to what happened with The Black Hole. Not only was it causing a lot of near misses, when it needed new evacuation platforms, it was too pricey to invest in it, which led to its removal.Either Loggers needs s big job done (in regards to H&S), or they're just delaying the removal news until marketing have come up with some 'Thorpe Loving Care' type blurb to side step the negativity. See Chessington swapping 'new ride in 2017' for 'new experiences in 2017'. It's the Merlin way. I understand it's more than just general maintenance, but should rides really get to the state where they are unfit to operate? If the ride is up for removal then they should just say so rather than letting people think it will reopen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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