TPGG Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 What else have they got to add to N: ST? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 We don't know. But Alton told us at the TT@10 event that the ride is "not yet signed off" and there is speculation that it is set for a 1 week closure "soon". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 The funny thing is, no one complained when Thorpe got the exact same type of coaster as Gardaland, and no one's complaining that Heide Park are possibly get that same type as well. No one complained when Heide Park opened a scare maze themed around one of their major coasters, just like Thorpe did. The only difference - if this ride is the same as Sub Terra - is that they would have opened in the same year. If Alton don't like, then in honesty, they should just suck it up and deal with it. It could be much worse after all - an extremely similar ride could be opening in this country, in a foreign park much more popular to British audiences or Sub Terra could be a completely flop hated by everyone.. EDIT: Just as a point to raise to Sidders' point below me. I think it was mentioned on the TT10 event over the weekend that Sub Terra has received mixed reactions, as opposed to it just being based on fan reaction. Though, to be honest, I don't actually know - or care - as I've avoided anything relating to Sub Terra since it opened in an attempt to avoid spoilers.. XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidders Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 N:ST is not a huge hit. Feedback is extremely mixed. I quite enjoy it now, but the ride feedback is very 50/50. Thankfully there is more to come. Perhaps I am just snobby and totally unrealstic, but I don't like seeing extremely similar rides duplicated so quickly. It screams "lack of creativity" to me. Probably doesn't make business sense but hey, I will sit on my high horse But this is Merlin; creativity is second to perceived physical impact a lot of the time (e.g. a Gerstlauer Eurofighter looks more imposing to the layman than a 'rickety old' Wooden Coaster). Sure, this isn't a problem to the extent of say, a Six Flags park, and most certainly, if any Merlin park can be expected to deliver on experience and magical escapism then Alton's your best bet, but I just feel like it's no harm done if Gardaland repeat the same style. To be fair you could criticise Heide Park for copying SAW Alive if we go by this logic. I like the idea of N:ST, and think one as far away as Italy won't matter one jot to anyone outside fanboyism. And on the topic of N:ST's reception - how can you tell if responses are mixed unless people write about them on forums? And why would they be on forums if not an enthusiast? Not food for thought or anything to antagonise you, but I just don't believe it's been mixed in the family and non-enthusiast market when I hear plenty of stories of people leaving the ride saying they enjoyed/were scared ****less by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 I know people in a variety of roles (from basic ride staff to management) who work at Alton Towers, have worked at the park in the past, and the ride is receiving a mixed reaction - literally 50/50. Stand at the exit and you would find the same. Hence why it will be closing again soon for further work. The park are still not satisfied with it and REALLY want to make it work. I am not lying. *EDIT - the 50/50 is however an improvement on the opening week or two, so they are getting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Ultimately, the only things the guests are continually saying is that the attraction is too short, and the drop is too small/short. So, if gardaland made it longer, or had a powerful drop or a ride system allowing for multiple drops, then they'd be onto a winner - storyline and theming dependant though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 To be fair to Gardaland, they did the whole "egg discovery research leading to giant alien attack" story first, so Towers kinda stole that off them really and just tied it into Nemesis' pre-existing back story... If the theming is anything like Raptor's/Sub Terra's, then it should be good enough, and might well be received better by an Italian market (and also vandalised better as well)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchada04 Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 Screamscape have posted an interesting article about Raptor: Genetix. I received an interesting lead on just what Raptor Genetix could possible be. According to the Screamscape spy network, the Nemesis: Sub-Terra attraction that opened last month at Alton Towers was first conceived for Gardaland as a fun sequel attraction to go along with the storyline developed for Raptor. According to the tale, Merlin management realized the basic story plop and attraction concept would also work perfectly at Alton Towers for the 2012 Nemesis sequel ride. http://www.screamscape.com/html/gardaland.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Well THAT was an anti-climax... http://www.gardalandraptor.it/fumetto/scarica-pdf.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam T Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 The comic is pretty cool and could be the starter for the 2013 attraction, has Towers already had a Nemesis comic they didn't really need this also both Raptor & Nemesis have laid eggs... Something tells me they need to get these Merlin Monsters the contraceptive pill Would be cool if they did a Nemesis vs Raptor vs Swarm vs Krake comic! Would be better than many of the DC & Marvel comics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 So pretty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Oh Raptor #betterthanswarm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well, this is a bump... 2015 is another coaster year for Gardaland, and it's looking likely to be a B&M Dive Machine, possibly related to Krake more than one of the bigger American cousins... Some visual confirmation spotted on Coasterforce... Their drop tower is apparently closed for this year as well... Inferno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S217 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Or Oblivion..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 I present you, Gardaland recycling Oblivion's style and Th13teen's tagline! From Gardaland Park Fan Page James_C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark9 Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Oblivion Inferno confirmed. JoshC., Cornflakes, Luke_A and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidders Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Yeah that's cool Merlin. Just **** on sixteen years' legacy from your flagship park. EC! and Cornflakes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Another recycled Merlin coaster. Oblivion concept & logo + inferno background + thirteen marketing = standard new Merlin coaster at secondary park. Whilst I love B&M's this just sounds very samey. Efteling dive coaster for the win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 How original So bored of Merlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Second best company in the world everyone... Originality truly is dead... It'll end up being a Krake clone or something... Cornflakes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluk Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornflakes Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Wow, What a fantastic logo! Merlin truly are the bastion of creativity and originality in the Theme Park industry. What an absolute joke. EC! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 They've always done this with their foreign parks. I feel so upset for them. Not a new thing either, Heide has always lived off Thorpe Park and Alton Towers for everything marketing wise. They'd do much better without english owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S217 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Here's another thing Flight of the Demon if you squint and close one eye it look's a lot like the Swarm who knew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC! Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Dive coaster track anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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