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6 hours ago, JoshuaA said:

To the GP yes, Stealth is one of the tallest and fastest in the UK so obviously to them it is a good headliner attraction.

 

 

That's all that matters if we're brutally honest.

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I fully agree that Thorpe's coasters are too short and not impressive enough, but it is true that as enthusiasts we have a very different outlook than most visitors.

 

I really rate Nemesis Inferno, it's a ride I have really come to appeciate more in the last few years.  It's intense, forceful and just feels like pure quality from start to finish.

 

Stealth - Too short and not impressive enough to justify it (again, more of an enthusiast thing as it is impressive to most guests).

 

Colossus - 10 loops crammed into a short(ish) layout for the sake of it, trains are horrendous.  Used to have a good presence with all the landscaping, now a concrete mess.

 

Saw - Poor quality ride experience and can be very uncomfortable.  Lots of missing effects, lighting and theming.

 

Swarm - Too short and lumbers around the inversions, doesn't pack a punch.  Theming gone to ruin.

 

Walking Dead - Perfectly good as a family coaster, but unsuitable theme makes it inaccessible to families!

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15 hours ago, JoshuaA said:

To the GP yes, Stealth is one of the tallest and fastest in the UK so obviously to them it is a good headliner attraction.

To 95% of the public (plus the group of enthusiasts who genuinely rate Stealth), it's a good headliner attraction. That's a good thing, no?

15 hours ago, JoshuaA said:

For us enthusiasts though, its nothing more than a decent coaster.

There's plenty of parks out there which don't even have a decent coaster. For Thorpe to have 5 decent coasters (regardless of personal opinion, it's hard to argue that any of Thorpe's major coasters aren't "decent"), that's a bloody good job tbh.

15 hours ago, JoshuaA said:

 

Its layout is anything but unique, it has the terrible plastic intamin OTSR, and it just isn't something people will travel to ride.. People travel far to ride the likes of Nemesis and Smiler, Stealth not so much..

Plenty of people in the past travelled far and wide for Stealth. This comes back to the issue I mentioned in my previous post - the park haven't kept up with the times of the industry to have that modern headliner, nor have they had a world class coaster that has remained timeless (or even just a record breaker). 

8 hours ago, Coaster said:

I fully agree that Thorpe's coasters are too short and not impressive enough, but it is true that as enthusiasts we have a very different outlook than most visitors.

Not impressive enough in what context? Because there's better coasters out there?

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1 hour ago, JoshC. said:

To 95% of the public (plus the group of enthusiasts who genuinely rate Stealth), it's a good headliner attraction. That's a good thing, no?

I rate Stealth too, its a good coaster. But its not something I would go out my way for, especially when Dragster, Ka, Xcelerator, Red Force, and many other better coasters with a similar layout exist. Its a good coaster but by no means top 10, I would rank it similarly to Oblivion at Alton towers, a good ride but nothing worth shouting about.

 

1 hour ago, JoshC. said:

There's plenty of parks out there which don't even have a decent coaster. For Thorpe to have 5 decent coasters (regardless of personal opinion, it's hard to argue that any of Thorpe's major coasters aren't "decent"), that's a bloody good job tbh.

Yeah the lineup is solid, 2 middle of the road B&M's, a decent Intamin launch, a low tier Gerst, and a okay Intamin looper. The last three all have clones..

The lineup isn't bad, but it needs a ICON or a Nemesis to make its lineup truly complete. 5 decent coasters is good, but when you have 5 decent coasters and 3 elite ones a few hours away... I would ride Alton's top 3 over any Thorpe coaster.

1 hour ago, JoshC. said:

Plenty of people in the past travelled far and wide for Stealth. This comes back to the issue I mentioned in my previous post - the park haven't kept up with the times of the industry to have that modern headliner, nor have they had a world class coaster that has remained timeless (or even just a record breaker). 

Sure Tina from tooting might of spent her child maintenance money on getting the train to Chertsey to ride Stealth, but in enthusiast's eyes, its just a smaller version of Ka and Dragster and a much worse version of Xcelerator, Thats the harsh reality. Nemesis and Smiler are rides you can't find anywhere else, some of the best rides in the country (if not the best).

 

You also have the fact of the park not building a coaster since 2012. Smiler and Wickerman have gone to Alton since then, and both coasters have really improved the offering. 

Thorpe's coaster lineup has been stagnant for seven years which has perhaps has highlighted how none of their coasters are anything worth putting in your top 10.

 

 

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49 minutes ago, JoshuaA said:

Smiler and Wickerman have gone to Alton since then, and both coasters have really improved the offering. 

When half a dozen other rides closed? Not sure that's the correct wording haha. I get bored quicker at Towers personally.

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I'll travel for a Wacky Worm in the arse end of France, so not sure where this enthusiast elitism is coming from? Half the guests probably won't know about Cedar Point and the like, does it really detract from their personal enjoyment? I mean the most liked ride by guests at PA is Baco! And 90% of us know that's wrong...

 

Thorpe (and Merlin parks as a whole) have remained pretty stationary over the years in the last decade that's true, but mostly through have consistent expansion the year before and some mismanagement... Several parks in Europe especially have taken advantage of not having much prior to this decade and going "right, this Gerstlauer is cheap but is interesting, let's buy that as our new signature ride", much like Bobbie Jobbie and Walibi Alpes have done...

 

On the other side the likes of Walibi Holland and Phantasialand already had a strong base to begin with, though Phantasialand was more about complete redevelopment of existing areas of the park... Walibi have just chosen two fantastic rides to compliment their pre-existing icon that is Goliath (though Untamed might become the new one)...

 

There's many things to dislike Thorpe for but the ride lineup isn't one of them... Think a lot of this is the realisation that the UK parks have sat still whilst the world adds a higher quality of ride comparatively...

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Except for the Disneyland's and Universal parks, every non-enthusiast person I've spoken to have never heard of any or the parks outside of the UK.

 

Thorpe is a decent park for most people and makes for a good day out, which is what they are looking for.

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6 hours ago, JoshC. said:

Not impressive enough in what context? Because there's better coasters out there?

Yeah, sort of - I meant that the coasters are short but aren't impressive enough to really have an impact; whereas some short coasters are intense or interesting enough that it doesn't matter that they aren't longer (Inferno for example).

 

I do appreciate it's more of an enthusiast and/or personal opinion thing though.

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8 hours ago, JoshuaA said:

Its a good coaster but by no means top 10, I would rank it similarly to Oblivion at Alton towers, a good ride but nothing worth shouting about.

I don't see why this is being treated as a negative? Not every park has to have a Top 10 worthy coaster...

8 hours ago, JoshuaA said:

Yeah the lineup is solid, 2 middle of the road B&M's, a decent Intamin launch, a low tier Gerst, and a okay Intamin looper. The last three all have clones..

 

The lineup isn't bad, but it needs a ICON or a Nemesis to make its lineup truly complete. 5 decent coasters is good, but when you have 5 decent coasters and 3 elite ones a few hours away... I would ride Alton's top 3 over any Thorpe coaster.

Honestly, this is one of the most spoilt comments I've seen with regards to theme parks. "Thorpe ONLY has 2 B&Ms, 2 Intamins and a Gerstlauer, it's not complete". So many parks would kill to have that sort of line up.  (NB: Saw doesn't have a clone, just a ride which has inspired it, and the other two were firsts of their exact layouts...).

 

Saying Towers has 3 elite coasters is very much a stretch too..

8 hours ago, JoshuaA said:

You also have the fact of the park not building a coaster since 2012. 

This is the big issue, yes. And they do need to add and improve. But that doesn't really detract from the fact that the park already have a solid basis with some good coasters.

8 hours ago, JoshuaA said:

none of their coasters are anything worth putting in your top 10.

Again: why is this an issue?

 

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5 minutes ago, JoshC. said:

I don't see why this is being treated as a negative? Not every park has to have a Top 10 worthy coaster...

 

Some parks don't have to. I don't like Europa Park because of its coaster lineup, I like it because the food, atmosphere, and shows make it such a magical experience.

With Thorpe's case I would consider it more of an amusement park, so the coaster lineup is more important considering most rides (barring Swarm which has top tier theming) not many rides at Thorpe have theming or charm. I would compare the park more to a Six Flags Park than anything else (with those parks it isn't like your going for atmosphere..)

 

10 minutes ago, JoshC. said:

Honestly, this is one of the most spoilt comments I've seen with regards to theme parks. "Thorpe ONLY has 2 B&Ms, 2 Intamins and a Gerstlauer, it's not complete". So many parks would kill to have that sort of line up.  (NB: Saw doesn't have a clone, just a ride which has inspired it, and the other two were firsts of their exact layouts...).

 

Its not the quantity, its the quality. And Abyss isn't a clone (my bad) though it is pretty much the same ride (very minor differences).

9 hours ago, JoshuaA said:

Yeah the lineup is solid

Dramatic much? . It is my opinion that Thorpe do not have a stand out coaster for ENTHUSIASTS. The lineup is great, it has 5 very solid coasters, but I would consider none of them anything overly exceptional and something I would go out my way for if I didn't live so near. Is that so wrong of a opinion to have? I'm not calling the lineup bad, I just don't feel there is a clear #1 there. I love Inferno, I love stealth, but I'm gonna admit I don't see them as something to write home about.

 

30 minutes ago, JoshC. said:

Again: why is this an issue?

 

Because its a theme park, and theme park have roller coasters. And we rank them, because we are enthusiasts and we do lists. Some coasters we get off and we say "that was good, solid", some we get off and say "that was actually unreal, I need to get back into the queue". None of the rides at Thorpe make me actively make me want to do the latter. Us enthusiasts also compare theme parks to others, and therefor we compare park lineups to each other.

 

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It is my opinion that Thorpe do not have a stand out coaster for ENTHUSIASTS. The lineup is great, it has 5 very solid coasters, but I would consider none of them anything overly exceptional and something I would go out my way for if I didn't live so near. Is that so wrong of a opinion to have? I'm not calling the lineup bad, I just don't feel there is a clear #1 there. I love Inferno, I love stealth, but I'm gonna admit I don't see them as something to write home about.

 

It's not a wrong opinion, of course not. There is no wrong opinion. I just don't get the logic behind anyone saying that a park has "5 very solid coasters" and complaining that one of them isn't a headliner. 

 

If I've travelled to a park, I'd come away very happy if I'd ridden 5 decent coasters (and that's as an 'enthusiast' too). In fact, I can't think of many parks in Europe you can come away from and say that...

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How many parks in the world have a truly standout coaster for enthusiasts?

 

What even IS a truly standout coaster for enthusiasts?

 

By that reckoning you'd rule out a good number of parks because others already have bigger and better variants of their rides? No point going to Walibi or Parc Asterix or Mirabilandia or Port Aventura then.

 

You can't say that your local park has a good selection of rides and then also say they're not good enough (well, Colossus and Saw ARE terrible). It's complete opposites to what's being said. Even having 3 good solid coasters is probably about average for an European park who doesn't really have the space or ability to build high or long. Walibi Holland only got that number this year after Untamed! And it's arguably better than the amount of solid coasters at Phantasialand.

 

Just sounds like jealousy that the park is standing still, but like I said before, it did it's mass development the decade before, when the biggest ride was actually Loggers Leap when I grew up with it. It was going to stop sometime and unfortunately has coincided with some weird managerial decisions and mismanagement.

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1 hour ago, Glitch said:

Thorpe doesn't need a standout coaster for enthusiasts. They don't like spending money, make up less than 5% of the market and expect the world for free. Source MAP Group

In fairness, repeat visitors do spend money - the trouble is that their spending on any given day is minimal since they spread out over several visits. Ultimately means that they drag down the spend per customer (which of course any business will use as an indicator) and that causes this outlook that they don't spend money.

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wrong grammar m8, much embarrasment

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56 minutes ago, Glitch said:

Thorpe doesn't need a standout coaster for enthusiasts. They don't like spending money, make up less than 5% of the market and expect the world for free. Source MAP Group

Exactly. That, and wearing your pass around your neck just looks silly innit.

 

Also, please ban Josh for saying "there" instead of "their" ❤️

 

In fact, whilst I'm here, ban everyone h8ing on Stealth.

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19 minutes ago, MattyMoo said:

Exactly. That, and wearing your pass around your neck just looks silly innit.

 

Also, please ban Josh for saying "there" instead of "their" ❤️

 

In fact, whilst I'm here, ban everyone h8ing on Stealth.

F**k Stealth last time man in the locker booth wouldn't let me ride.

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21 minutes ago, MattyMoo said:

Also, please ban Josh for saying "there" instead of "their" ❤️

 

I don't know what you're talking about... :ninja:

 

(this is what I get for posting on TPM when I should be working)

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3 hours ago, JoshC. said:

(this is what I get for posting on TPM when I should be working)


If you call binge watching Theme Park Worldwide Videos "working" that is.

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11 hours ago, Glitch said:

last time man in the locker booth wouldn't let me ride.

You can't start and then not expect us to ask you to finish...

 

Personally for the next coaster I'd just like to see something that isn't over extremely quickly and packs a punch throughout.

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They really need to do something the last time I visited was 2016 and that was a free visit due to complaining about Derren's Browns ride being closed the first time all day and then we return and go on it and its basically a VR experience I could have had at home with my friends tickling my legs, anyway you get the gist.

The UK industry as a whole needs to step up because the worldwide and European parks are knocking it out of the park and here in the UK we can't even seem to get to first base!

After going to theme parks worldwide I have no desire to return to Thorpe Park and infact if a friend suggests it I resent the notion! 

When I could go to Tokyo Disney Sea for the day for £50 why would I pay near enough that for somewhere as sub par as Thorpe Park.

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On 12/13/2019 at 7:45 AM, ste193 said:

They really need to do something the last time I visited was 2016 and that was a free visit due to complaining about Derren's Browns ride being closed the first time all day and then we return and go on it and its basically a VR experience I could have had at home with my friends tickling my legs, anyway you get the gist.

The UK industry as a whole needs to step up because the worldwide and European parks are knocking it out of the park and here in the UK we can't even seem to get to first base!

After going to theme parks worldwide I have no desire to return to Thorpe Park and infact if a friend suggests it I resent the notion! 

When I could go to Tokyo Disney Sea for the day for £50 why would I pay near enough that for somewhere as sub par as Thorpe Park.

 

Mate, I need to know what plane you're catching to do that.

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On 12/14/2019 at 3:06 PM, Mark9 said:

 

Mate, I need to know what plane you're catching to do that.

I obviously mean whilst I'm out there 🙄 if the flights were £50 I would go to Japan everyday but sadly they are not, I'd much rather save for my trips and go to better theme parks out there than pay the same price for a below average one 

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14 hours ago, ste193 said:

I obviously mean whilst I'm out there 🙄 if the flights were £50 I would go to Japan everyday but sadly they are not, I'd much rather save for my trips and go to better theme parks out there than pay the same price for a below average one 

I was obviously joking.

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