Benin Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Whatever happened to Vekoma and their Pandora's Box hardware? It basically looked like a poor mans robocoaster from the concepts. I know its not likely, but they could have revived this concept specially for Merlin? I believe even Efteling have given up on that concept (Hartenhof/Symbolica), and they throw money at things like it's going out of fashion... No chance of it, especially cos it's not even referenced on Vekoma's website anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altitude Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I don't think Hartenhof is/was going to be a Pandora's Box. It had a block of seating on an arm, whereas I believe the Pandora's Box concept was quite different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Back when Hartenhof was first announced, the rumours were strongly pointing towards the PD system... Of course since it kept getting delayed it's all changed since... Old promo video here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Ive heard Hartenhoff is going to be happening, but not until 2020 although it will be called something different now. Back on topic, I just hope this ride turns out to be worthwhile as the outcome could be something that is either utter,y brilliant or disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altitude Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Benin, Hartenhof was/is going to use this technology... ... not the Pandora's Box! Although tbh the latter does look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7123456 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 http://www.simworx.co.uk/av-fx/agv-darkride/ I really think we're getting this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanB19 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Simworx did mention uk project being revealed next year when they released agv or something, so there's a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjbutton Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 And it does say "no tracks" RyanB19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieN Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 http://www.simworx.co.uk/av-fx/agv-darkride/ I really think this could be what we are getting! I think you could be onto something here... Kerfuffle and RyanB19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I just hope it is a ride without a long, drawn out preshow (unless it's done really well). Having videos/preshows as part of the queue would be good but I much prefer just getting on the ride rather than, for example, the original Zufari setup. I'm probably in the minority with that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I just hope it is a ride without a long, drawn out preshow (unless it's done really well). Having videos/preshows as part of the queue would be good but I much prefer just getting on the ride rather than, for example, the original Zufari setup. I'm probably in the minority with that though. If the theme is going to be based in the Victorian era, the potential for a preshow is quite promising! I can see some sort of archival footage relating to the ride's story, giving perfectly good reason to why you're there! Coaster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S217 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I really hope this is succesful, but one gripe will it have rerideability factor? David B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Benin, Hartenhof was/is going to use this technology... Read what I said again: Back when Hartenhof was first announced, the rumours were strongly pointing towards the PD system... Of course since it kept getting delayed it's all changed since... Back in 2010 this was, if you look through Screamscape (lol, I know, but back in the day it was pretty much the go to place) they mention exactly them rumours... It probably changed to the massive box on wheels at some point, dunno when though... Probably once they realised the Box system was a bit useless looking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project LC Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 AGV rides already exist. Also I did suggest this idea months ago. The problem with AGVs is that they are very expensive. The cost is coming down but the budget may not stretch that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project LC Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 £3m on the building, £5-15m on advertising. Remaining on theming and ride hardware. Now this is very likely to be screen based so that will take a large budget on animation/filming. So with all that the ride hardware comes to £10-20m. Now they are all rough estimates so I could be out by quite a lot. However an AGV for £30m would be a discount price. Another point to consider is AGVs struggle with elevation change. This is over 2 floors. JoshC. and SteveJ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbennxx Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Is it over 2 floors though? Just because you load above ground level does not insist this thing will be over 2 floors. It could easily be a ceiling mounted ride system, or even just a really high ride vehicle. The stark reality is that we have no idea what it is, all we know is, that it is inside a building, and has been created by Derren Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project LC Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 The plans show fire escapes where one has a staircase and he rest don't. It strongly suggests 2 floors. However there few lateral beams in the building to support a floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 All we know is, that it is inside a building, and has been created by Derren Brown. New signature Kerfuffle and pognoi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 It could be a simple dark ride with vehicle travel (similar to Duel's ride system) but with a lot of effects/enhancements, but the complicated nature of the building frame makes me think otherwise. One of the best things about the buildup to this attraction is that we literally have no idea what it is! RyanB19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 It could be a simple dark ride with vehicle travel (similar to Duel's ride system) but with a lot of effects/enhancements, but the complicated nature of the building frame makes me think otherwise. One of the best things about the buildup to this attraction is that we literally have no idea what it is! > Build enthusiast expectations to ridiculously high levels > Fail to exceed these expectations > ??? > Profit!!! JoshuaA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 > ??? "Enthusiasts complain but still regularly visit and ride" is the missing phrase here. RyanB19, slendercat, Tom and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaA Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 If it is the AGV, wouldn't the throughput be awful? L7123456 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 > Build enthusiast expectations to ridiculously high levels > Fail to exceed these expectations > ??? > Profit!!! Well I'm not holding out hope on it actually being good but what I meant was that I like how they are keeping it a complete secret.I plan on going on it the same way I approach any new ride, which is with an open mind rather than expecting it to be amazing/awful. Thirteen's advertising was just stupid. David B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 The advertising hypes me up, something for me and my friends to have a cheeky bit of gossip about before we go on it. I shall go into this ride with high expectations rightly or wrongly so Thorpe Park you better not let me down... again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbennxx Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 High expectations means you are setting yourself up for a fall kiddo. Expect the worst, hope for the best, that is the best possible way not to be let down. David B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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