StevenVig Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 VIP Passes are now discontinued, thank god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman707 Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 Woohoo! Finally, they are shutting down the most obnoxious passholders club. ? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaA Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 You have to admit it was pretty funny seeing someone strut their VIP pass on a lanyard while acting like they're some sort of celebrity around the park, I think with that its sad to see the loss of free comedy that we all received from this incredibly idiotic product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project LC Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 Interesting news today that ValueAct who is an activist investor (owns 9.3%) in Merlin wants to take the firm private following a fall in its share price. The board doesn't want to go private but as ValueAct has such a high percentage ownership it will be hard for them to ignore the pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-48700496 Merlin have, after many years of planning, moved two whales from an aquarium in China to a whale sanctuary in Iceland. Animal welfare is still a developing issue in China, and aquariums/oceanariums with whale shows aren't unusual. Merlin bought the Changfeng Ocean World Zoo in 2012 and rebranded it into a Sealife Shanghai, and committed very early to improving animal welfare and ultimately moving the whales, despite the massive popularity of the show. Indeed, Merlin don't actually list Sealife Shanghai anywhere on the Sealife website, and you have to do some digging to find out that they own/run it. The movement to the sanctuary had hit a couple of delays and was an expensive, logistical nightmare, but is now finally done. I don't know the long term plan for Sea Life Shanghai, but I imagine they're going to continue bringing it in line with other Sea Lifes, and further push education of animal welfare in China. Matt A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattgwise Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 So the VIP pass got stopped and now individual parks are rolling out their own starting with Legoland! Called Club VIP which is supposedly invitation only (but allows you to register interest on the page) it offers the following Club VIP Unlimited entry to the LEGOLAND®Windsor Resort. Gold wristband for instant ride access on every visit. Preferred complimentary room upgrades where available. Complimentary preferred parking. 20% discount on dining. 10% discount on LEGO® purchases on Resort.* A LEGO gift on your birthday. 2 guest day passes (Additional guest passes available for £100). Complimentary hot and cold beverages (in a souvenir cup). One pre-booked entry to our VIP fireworks. Calendar invites to exclusive events. £650 per membership (12 Month Membership) What are your thoughts of this. It can be found on the VIP experiences page of Legoland website. https://www.legoland.co.uk/tickets-and-passes/vip-experiences/view-all-vip-experiences/#clubvip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman707 Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 Nick Varney being shown how it's done over at Rulantica in Europa Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han30 Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 The new VIP thing doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. The VIP passes did seem a lot of money but in reality the pass holders got a lot in return for that and it looks like Merlin are going for individual park VIPs to bring in the cash. There will be people who will buy them I’m sure - loads of VIP holders annoyed that the passes got stopped. I have no problem with VIPs but really wish it was renamed something different and for the love of God I hope they don’t have VIP lanyards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 Oh, so they weren't doing away with it to improve guest behaviour and/or to make things better for staff, it was purely a way for them to make more money selling individual park VIP passes for the same price. That's the last time I give Merlin the benefit of the doubt... Marhelorpe, Ringo, Mysta Ghoul and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysta Ghoul Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 The whole VIP thing apart from usual bonus packages like animal visits, etc, should be abolished. It just rewards greediness paying to skip queues, to have park managers' phone numbers, creates the most vile arrogant guests on park and is also totally poor value for money. 'Behind the scenes' tours when the 'front of scene' rides are so poor and left to rot is especially bad. Brand new rides is ok, but it's like the rest are just bags of money to be squeezed dry with zero care for reinvestment or proper maintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 18 hours ago, Coaster said: Oh, so they weren't doing away with it to improve guest behaviour and/or to make things better for staff, it was purely a way for them to make more money selling individual park VIP passes for the same price. That's the last time I give Merlin the benefit of the doubt... Problem with the merlin VIP one was it was too cheap for what you got - I expect you’d see far fewer issues with a small number of VIP passes across the parks for the same price as you’d have paid for a VIP merlin one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project LC Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 The end goal is to make profit. This Legoland VIP pass (and the other parks to follow) enable customers to pay a higher price if they are willing to do so. Merlin operate a similar model to airlines. You have standard class (day tickets), business class (MAP holders) and first class (VIP pass). An airline makes its money from business class, standard is to fill the plane and get customers who are unwilling to pay more. While first is to extract as much money as possible from customers who can and are willing to pay more. (Its a little more complex than that but I deemed it a reasonable comparison). I don't think that the VIP pass is going to be an issue, demand won't be high and it seems like they are still restricting the number anyway. For the park to really maximise profit they should invest in complex algorithms for day tickets. Not only would it increase revenue but it would also help on distributing crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benin Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 To maximise profit they should make the parks operate in a sensible fashion, with sensible hours... People who are enjoying their day spend more money... Something they can't or don't want to do when 3+ rides are dead, half the f&b places are closed and the place looks worse than Bakken! pluk and Project LC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 236 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 There’s probably a better chance of the London Resort actually opening or Hartenhoff (version 1) happening than them starting to deliver quality service to everyone. The way most of the parks are run and operated would make you think they were billions in debt and trying to tackle bankruptcy, not a massive operator second behind the mouse. I didn't visit Bakken because of the things I heard about the place. Oh well. The Lego V.I.P pass does not surprise me in the slightest at Europe’s best theme park. Yes they won an award for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringo Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Lego family's Kirkbi and Blackstone to buy Madame Tussauds owner Merlin: FT (Reuters) - Britain’s Merlin Entertainments Plc (MERL.L) is to be acquired for 6 billion pounds ($7.6 billion), including debt, by a group made up of Kirkbi, the investment vehicle of Lego’s founding family, private equity firm Blackstone Group LP (BX.N) and Canadian pension fund CPPIB, the Financial Times reported on Friday. The deal to buy Merlin, which owns and operates Madame Tussauds waxworks exhibits around the world, is expected to be announced as soon as Friday morning, but no deal was guaranteed until the announcement, the FT said on.ft.com/2X9zLxD, citing multiple people it said were close to the matter. The deal is likely to value Merlin’s shares at around 460 pence, one of the people told the FT, giving it an equity value of more than 4.73 billion pounds. https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-merlin-ent-m-a-consortium/lego-familys-kirkbi-and-blackstone-to-buy-merlin-entertainments-ft-idUKKCN1TS3EI CharlieN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattgwise Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Very interesting news. Wonder what this could mean for the future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringo Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 BBC reporting Merlin have accepted a £4.8bn offer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48797245 Legoland and Madame Tussauds waxworks owner Merlin Entertainments has accepted a £4.8bn offer for the firm. A group of investors, led by the Danish billionaire family which controls the separate toy firm Lego, has made the approach alongside a group of other private investors. Kirkbi Invest says it has the money and experience to "realise the company's potential to grow". Merlin also owns the London Eye and Alton Towers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project LC Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 For the time being very little. Blackstone are already heavily involved with Merlin Entertainments as well as other parks (Port Aventura and Busch Gardens/Sea World). The Lego family are also already involved with Merlin. It should make the parks less accountable to shareholders but it would mean more accountablity to Blackstone. With any luck if the buyout goes ahead they will replace the board and get a team that actually knows what they are doing. Someone who is willing to use the overall Merlin brand to entice people as well as the sub-brands. As well as someone who is willing to invest in higher risk projects to increase growth and profit while ensuring existing assets remain functional in the long term. JoshC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planenut Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Now we are all going to have to get used to moaning about a different owner/operator. I hope this proves successful for the parks and not just the shareholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetEchoes Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, planenut said: Now we are all going to have to get used to moaning about a different owner/operator. I hope this proves successful for the parks and not just the shareholders. Same operators, just the holding company of Merlin will be different. I assume that the same management and day to day operations will be the same. From the press release they are keeping it as a seperate company, same HQ and not distributing or changing assets of merlin. Fingers crossed this helps with investment in the parks, if the parent company wants to invest more then there arent shareholders to block it based on profit. There is a full document on Merlins website about the plans. https://www.merlinentertainments.biz/recommended-offer/ The document also says that the two companies (Blackrock and Kirkbi) were there before public listing: "KIRKBI and Blackstone jointly controlled Merlin in the 8 years prior to the 2013 public listing, during which time Merlin became the second largest location based entertainment business globally, and the partner of choice for the world's leading brands to deliver immersive experiences to guests." So fingers crossed we go back to the investment days! planenut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 I think taking it at face value - 'offer accepted for Merlin to be bought' or similar - is perhaps misleading. As others have said, it is a case of existing shareholders buying more shares so they have the majority stake. Arguably the biggest and most important outcome of this is that Merlin are going back to being a private company rather than a public company. Of course the biggest problem with being a public company is that you have to answer to people who simply want profit: in their eyes, if something won't make profit, why should money be spent on it? A private company will have a more sensible outlook. Kirkby have said they've no plans to sell anything within Merlin and that there won't be substantial changes. It'll likely just be a different decision making process towards how to spend money. It'll be interesting to see if there's any changes to the hierarchy, be that by adding an extra layer (hopefully not..), a reshuffle/change of the top layer, or what. Not that this should need saying, but this obviously doesn't mean a switch is going to flicked and we're going to see huge investments every year at every park. However, I'd expect that if there's a different outlook and different decision making process, there might be more opportunities for money to be invested.. Mysta Ghoul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMoo Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Maybe now Project 2020 will go ahead?!?!?!?1111!!! Ringo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman707 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Hopefully Merlin ditch the short term profit making for long term prosperity. Surely after seeing what Europa Park are building, big new attractions when done right bring in the visitors. They can charge a premium, because the quality matches the price and the demand is there. JoshuaA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC. Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, Stuntman707 said: Hopefully Merlin ditch the short term profit making for long term prosperity. Surely after seeing what Europa Park are building, big new attractions when done right bring in the visitors. They can charge a premium, because the quality matches the price and the demand is there. Tbf Merlin will have always been aware of what Europa Park are doing and their insane levels of quality. It's not something they've done overnight, it's been something which has happened over the past 20-25 years, at great levels of risk. If Blue Fire hadn't been as well-received as it was in industry, things may have taken a turn for the worse from what I've heard. Merlin will never be able to match Europa in any way, shape or form. Very few parks can or will. And that's fine. Just as long as no one is thinking that Merlin parks can magically fight the quality of Europa after one visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysta Ghoul Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 2 hours ago, JoshC. said: It's not something they've done overnight, it's been something which has happened over the past 20-25 years, at great levels of risk. If Blue Fire hadn't been as well-received as it was in industry, things may have taken a turn for the worse from what I've heard. Europa was still a great park and much better (in terms of value for money) even before Blue Fire opened, and Merlin have made many more mistakes on big projects than taking a risk on just one coaster, so I dont really buy that. All successes come with taking risk anyway, and Europa have an excellent track record of taking those risks and making successes. But I totally agree Europa has built their success over a long period of time. I think theyre a real beacon of the value in developing your park long term and making a success of it at every step. While Merlin are a clear example of how parks can be squandered by constant short term time and cost decisions. I'm really pleased with the news although it certainly doesnt automatically mean any big change or improvement. Ringo, JoshuaA and pluk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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